Class - Is it still relevant?

[Zaxxon]

Steffan said:

The UK is still undoubtedly the most class ridden society.

But wealth is becoming the best class leveller.

Still a lot of class prejudice about in the UK.

But success monetarily is replacing it.

Another 50 years and wealth will be the only measure of success.

That's progress I think.

So Jordan is successfull? Is she equall to someone who is upper class?


I don't think you quite understand the concept.

[12gauge]

Yes, ive been led to believe class and family lines are massively important in places like Japan and Korea too.

I dont think 'class' is that important in the UK. Its the way you present yourself.

If you present yourself as a slovenly, illiterate and ignorant chav, your'e going to be treated like a slovenly, illerate and ignorant chav. And rightly so.

[12gauge]

Dracoro said:

So, what if you get some income from capital but also wages then what are you?

Petite bourgeoisie?

[Wacky Racer]

Classic class sketch:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3E5vYNzrds&fea...

[Tonberry]

crankedup said:

Class cannot be acquired, it can only be bred.

Exactly.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

How hard you have worked in life and all the riches you may or may not have made have no bearing on class.

You are born into it.

Very few truly middle class people in this country. The sooner you all realise it the better.

[mrmr96]

Tonberry said:

Exactly.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

How hard you have worked in life and all the riches you may or may not have made have no bearing on class.

You are born into it.

Very few truly middle class people in this country. The sooner you all realise it the better.

Definitions evolve over time. Words come to mean what people mean when they say them. Is that difficult to understand?

[mrmr96]

ps - what "class" is the dutchess of cambridge?

[Mr Dave]

Class does not mean money.

You can be upper class and have no money.

you can have a lot of money and be working class, or indeed, having no class.

[NightRunner]

Mr Dave said:

Class does not mean money.

You can be upper class and have no money.

you can have a lot of money and be working class, or indeed, having no class.

Maybe an example:

[davepoth]

mrmr96 said:

ps - what "class" is the dutchess of cambridge?

Good call on that. She was solidly middle class, but is obviously now quite upper class.

But what does that say about dwarf tossing, blonde carousing shrek lookey-likey Mike Tindall? Technically in the same position as Kate.

Class doesn't actually mean much unless you are a snob (of whatever class). It would help them to remember that, contrary to the received wisdom, the Queen probably does break wind. I expect Prince Philip asks her to pull his finger before he lets one off...

[Pothole]

Steffan said:

The UK is still undoubtedly the most class ridden society.

But wealth is becoming the best class leveller.

How is wealth 'levelling' anything? The country has just become even more of a plutocracy.

[mrmr96]

davepoth said:

mrmr96 said:

ps - what "class" is the dutchess of cambridge?

Good call on that. She was solidly middle class, but is obviously now quite upper class.

But what does that say about dwarf tossing, blonde carousing shrek lookey-likey Mike Tindall? Technically in the same position as Kate.

Class doesn't actually mean much unless you are a snob (of whatever class). It would help them to remember that, contrary to the received wisdom, the Queen probably does break wind. I expect Prince Philip asks her to pull his finger before he lets one off...

This is why I think that maybe class is more to do with behaviour and attitude?

[Pothole]

mrmr96 said:

davepoth said:

mrmr96 said:

ps - what "class" is the dutchess of cambridge?

Good call on that. She was solidly middle class, but is obviously now quite upper class.

But what does that say about dwarf tossing, blonde carousing shrek lookey-likey Mike Tindall? Technically in the same position as Kate.

Class doesn't actually mean much unless you are a snob (of whatever class). It would help them to remember that, contrary to the received wisdom, the Queen probably does break wind. I expect Prince Philip asks her to pull his finger before he lets one off...

This is why I think that maybe class is more to do with behaviour and attitude?

or is behaviour and attitude more to do with class?

[Chicken Chaser]

The definition has changed. There is still the aristocracy at the top and there always will be, but regardless of wealth everyone else in the middle seems to be in the same pot.

There is though, without doubt an underclass. Feral, uneducated and crippling the country through a benefits system. Not everyone will see it on a daily basis, but those who do will know exactly what I mean. Its much to do with attitude as well as wealth.

[pilchardthecat]

Steffan said:

The UK is still undoubtedly the most class ridden society

Clearly you've never been to India

Or Mali, Ghana, Liberia, Nigeria, Ethiopia and half of the othe countries in Africa.

Oh, and Korea.

And Sri Lanka

And Pakistan.

The UK isn't even in the top 10

[Ozzie Osmond]

Chicken Chaser said:

There is still the aristocracy at the top.....

It's not the cream that floats - it's the scum old boy.

[Maximum Bobs]

Chicken Chaser said:

The definition has changed. There is still the aristocracy at the top and there always will be, but regardless of wealth everyone else in the middle seems to be in the same pot.

There is though, without doubt an underclass. Feral, uneducated and crippling the country through a benefits system. Not everyone will see it on a daily basis, but those who do will know exactly what I mean. Its much to do with attitude as well as wealth.

I agree with you, there doesn't seem to be a working class any more just upper, middle & under class.

ETA.. I also think that the gap between middle & upper has grown considerably.

Edited by Maximum Bobs on Wednesday 21st December 01:07

[elster]

Maximum Bobs said:

Chicken Chaser said:

The definition has changed. There is still the aristocracy at the top and there always will be, but regardless of wealth everyone else in the middle seems to be in the same pot.

There is though, without doubt an underclass. Feral, uneducated and crippling the country through a benefits system. Not everyone will see it on a daily basis, but those who do will know exactly what I mean. Its much to do with attitude as well as wealth.

I agree with you, there doesn't seem to be a working class any more just upper, middle & under class.

ETA.. I also think that the gap between middle & upper has grown considerably.

Edited by Maximum Bobs on Wednesday 21st December 01:07

I disagree that there is such a thing as middle class.

There seems to be the upper class, which is dwindling quite significantly year on year.

Then there is the under class. I don't think there is such as a thing as working or middle class. I think there is just everyone else.

[EDLT]

To answer the original question: No, not really. People on the NP&E forum are just obsessed with it.

[Maximum Bobs]

elster said:

Maximum Bobs said:

Chicken Chaser said:

The definition has changed. There is still the aristocracy at the top and there always will be, but regardless of wealth everyone else in the middle seems to be in the same pot.

There is though, without doubt an underclass. Feral, uneducated and crippling the country through a benefits system. Not everyone will see it on a daily basis, but those who do will know exactly what I mean. Its much to do with attitude as well as wealth.

I agree with you, there doesn't seem to be a working class any more just upper, middle & under class.

ETA.. I also think that the gap between middle & upper has grown considerably.

Edited by Maximum Bobs on Wednesday 21st December 01:07

I disagree that there is such a thing as middle class.

There seems to be the upper class, which is dwindling quite significantly year on year.

Then there is the under class. I don't think there is such as a thing as working or middle class. I think there is just everyone else.

I'm not sure the upper class is dwindling, I think they are still there but just quieter. The rest of what you say is much the same as I was saying because I also think the working & middle have merged into one. I called it middle but I suppose it may be more accurate to call it working/middle so there's the upper, working/middle & under class.

ETA.. I read your post again & see what you're getting at but surely all of the middle section must be called something? Maybe the everybody else class, and maybe we should rename the under class. Upper class, everybody else class, no class.

Edited by Maximum Bobs on Wednesday 21st December 01:47