Bombardier bounce back

[Galsia]

Cupramax said:

I dont understand the big deal, aren't Bombardier Canadian? I realise they build the trains over hear but its still not going to a british company in the end...

Although now run by Bombardier, trains have been built at this location continuously since 1873 so it means a lot to the people of Derby.

While a £188 million contract is welcome, its still peanuts compared to the £1.4 billion Thameslink contract that they should have been awarded.

[Chrisgr31]

nc107 said:

Southern knew that as the Government was on the back foot, and the current franchise almost complete, it had an opportunity to drive a better deal, so a game of cat and mouse has been going on for a few months.

Real pain about their fanchise nearly being complete. Hope they win the new one as they have made a dramatic difference to train services throughout sussex and are one of the few franchises actually paying the government to run trains. God help us if FCC win it!

[Chrisgr31]

By the way why do they say they are new trains for Southern when the Southern franchise is coming to an end and the trains are bought be someone else and leased to Southern?

[Apache]

Train Operating Companies (TOCs) lease trains from ROSCOs such as Porterbrook or HSBC so the lease will transfer over to whoever wins the next bid

[Fatman2]

Galsia said:

Cupramax said:

I dont understand the big deal, aren't Bombardier Canadian? I realise they build the trains over hear but its still not going to a british company in the end...

Although now run by Bombardier, trains have been built at this location continuously since 1873 so it means a lot to the people of Derby.

While a £188 million contract is welcome, its still peanuts compared to the £1.4 billion Thameslink contract that they should have been awarded.

Kind of like Bombardier in Belfast too, who were originally Shorts and employ a good few thousand people.

I think Bombardier on the whole employs a fair amount of people here in the UK so them pulling out would be disasterous, especially in Belfast where the Irish would find it almost impossible to find alternative work (in aerospace) without leaving the country.

And that's not even mentioning the suppliers for either trade.
And that's not

[wiggy001]

If the Victoria Line trains on the London Underground are anything to go by, I can see why they might not win all the contracts some here seem to think they should.

[PJ S]

Galsia said:

Although now run by Bombardier, trains have been built at this location continuously since 1873 so it means a lot to the people of Derby.

While a £188 million contract is welcome, its still peanuts compared to the £1.4 billion Thameslink contract that they should have been awarded.

But would they be able to fulfill such a large contract?
Was it a case of not having the genuine capacity/infrastructure in place to realistically offer themselves as a viable alternative?
Doubtful that these sort of contracts boil down to who's simply the cheapest.

[Zyp]

At least the Swiss put their faith in Bombardier -
http://www.bombardier.com/en/corporate/media-centr...

Won't save Derby though, unless the next big order comes in...

[Happy82]

wiggy001 said:

If the Victoria Line trains on the London Underground are anything to go by, I can see why they might not win all the contracts some here seem to think they should.

That's what happens when they send the work they win to low quality Far East tool firms.

Personally, I think incentives should be given to companies such as Bombardier to keep their tooling / supply requirements in the UK to support the rest of UK industry and try and get manufacturing back on its feet.

[Zyp]

They bought several tooling firms in the UK when those firms were going bust, to keep the supply line going.