I see no problem with this...
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SpeedMattersNot said:
Most people in the UK don't own guns. And if they do, chances are they're not 18year old girls with babies.
There is more of a reason to ask why, in the UK, an 18 year old girl with a baby has a shotgun and a handgun in her house than to not ask why. IMO
Similar could happen here.
Woman just lost spouse so an emotional wreck.
Genuinely fears for her and her baby's life by intruders with knives.
Runs to get hubby's gun from cabinet which she hasn't got round to handing to police yet (or whatever you do with guns you don't need or not licensed for).
No more badguys.
SpeedMattersNot said:
So her also clutching a handgun would have had no implications on her, here in the UK?
Most people in the UK don't own guns. And if they do, chances are they're not 18year old girls with babies.
There is more of a reason to ask why, in the UK, an 18 year old girl with a baby has a shotgun and a handgun in her house than to not ask why. IMO
You're getting hung up on the handgun aspect for reasons that escape me. If this had happened in the UK then its unlikely she'd have had a handgun, and would have used a shotgun. All I was trying to point out is that had this happened in the UK like for like with a legally owned SHOTGUN, she'd be unlikely to face prosecution.Most people in the UK don't own guns. And if they do, chances are they're not 18year old girls with babies.
There is more of a reason to ask why, in the UK, an 18 year old girl with a baby has a shotgun and a handgun in her house than to not ask why. IMO
Anyway, all that's irrelevant and I'll not continue to discuss it with you as you seem to enjoy the mobile goal posts game
My wife hasn't done much shooting (clays once, with me) but knows how to load and fire a shotgun. She also knows where my safe is and where the key is.
If she were to use one of my guns to protect her and the kids while i was out she'd be a s
t load of bother. I probably would be too for not securing the guns properly. Maybe i should get her to apply for an SGC too 
Is there any legal precedent about protecting your self and your family in your own home? I seem to recall a rather wooly statement about "reasonable force" but how in the heck do you define what that is?
If she were to use one of my guns to protect her and the kids while i was out she'd be a s
t load of bother. I probably would be too for not securing the guns properly. Maybe i should get her to apply for an SGC too Is there any legal precedent about protecting your self and your family in your own home? I seem to recall a rather wooly statement about "reasonable force" but how in the heck do you define what that is?
Lefty said:
Is there any legal precedent about protecting your self and your family in your own home? I seem to recall a rather wooly statement about "reasonable force" but how in the heck do you define what that is?
I believe and I'm happy to be corrected here that "reasonsable" would include doing whatever is necessary to stop your assailant in his tracks, i.e. to stop the crime from occuring.I asked my friend about this scenario when i was in the US last (we were discussing the 9 loaded handguns he has secreted about his house in case of "emergencies").
He said that if a burglar is in your house then as long as you don't shoot them in the back you'll have nothing to worry about as you can assume that they are armed and dangerous (the Castle defence it was referred to as). If you do shoot them in the back then as long as you had a good reason too (for example, they were threatening/harming another person) then you'd probably get nothing more than a request to see your gun licence and a handshake.
He's heard of a burglar being shot through a window or door (i can't remember which) who was then brought inside to justify the shooting and another that was given a gun, posthumously, after entering a house and meeting several hot lead objects coming the other way and so on.
He said that if a burglar is in your house then as long as you don't shoot them in the back you'll have nothing to worry about as you can assume that they are armed and dangerous (the Castle defence it was referred to as). If you do shoot them in the back then as long as you had a good reason too (for example, they were threatening/harming another person) then you'd probably get nothing more than a request to see your gun licence and a handshake.
He's heard of a burglar being shot through a window or door (i can't remember which) who was then brought inside to justify the shooting and another that was given a gun, posthumously, after entering a house and meeting several hot lead objects coming the other way and so on.
Marf said:
She's blocked the door with her sofa. While he is trying to get in she would have had time to go to the gun cabinet, unlock it, load a gun and be ready.
Reading one of the threads yesterday one poster would have this changed to:-She's blocked the door with her sofa. While he is trying to get in she would have had time to go to the gun depot, prove her identity and the purpose she wished to have the weapon released for, complete and sign all paperwork and pay the usualy release fee, drive home, load a gun and be ready.
Fish said:
I'd also like to add, you CAN own a handgun legally in the UK. It is just VERY VERY VERY... difficult to get permission. I know someone with a .38 magnum legally owned. I believe there are only about 20-30 people with this clearance though.
You can own a long-barrelled revolver or long-barrelled .22 pistol on a regular section 1 certificate.It makes the handgun ban look rather silly, because if you had criminal intent to use a LBR or LBP, all you have to do is saw a bit off the barrel and remove the bit of bent wire attached to the grip.
But then, as we all know, the handgun ban did absolutely nothing to stop handgun crime.
turbobloke said:
she would have needed time to go to her discreet, secure locked storage unit, remove the shotgun, then go to the separate area for storing cartridges, load up...
turbobloke said:
...but plod wouldn't like the cartridges to be in the same place as the shotgun (unless plod vary in this view which they may well do).
Ive never heard that before. Obviously you have so it must vary Force to Force.When I got my SGC I asked the chap who came to check my Cabinet about this very subject, his words were, we dont care if you use them to make a coffee table, without the gun they are useless. I keep my cartridges in the cupboard next to my cabinet.
I have, in the past, thought about using them to make a coffee table......but it was just a thought
Good on this Girl though, she had the bottle to do what was needed to protect herself and her baby
. I dont know how I would react under similar circumstances, and I hope to never have to find out.tvradict said:
Obviously you have so it must vary Force to Force.
This is one of the problems with the licensing system as we have it. No consistency across forces, no central body monitoring what's going on, individual FEOs deciding themselves what you can and can't have. It's open to abuse and big, gaping holes where people who maybe shouldn't possess a licence or should have it revoked can slip under the radar.I think we all want to see the laws applied equally to everyone so those of us who take shooting seriously don't suffer from the actions of a very small minority who use guns as weapons against others.
oyster said:
RacerMDR said:
good for her. One more dead scum. Shame she didn't shoot them both.
Did the surviving scumbag say what their intentions were?
They should give him the chair for being part of it.
The chair for being part of a break-in?Did the surviving scumbag say what their intentions were?
They should give him the chair for being part of it.
What's the punishment for worse crimes then?
So yep, top the b
d. World is a better place.......non?tvradict said:
turbobloke said:
she would have needed time to go to her discreet, secure locked storage unit, remove the shotgun, then go to the separate area for storing cartridges, load up...
turbobloke said:
...but plod wouldn't like the cartridges to be in the same place as the shotgun (unless plod vary in this view which they may well do).
Ive never heard that before. Obviously you have so it must vary Force to Force.When I got my SGC I asked the chap who came to check my Cabinet about this very subject, his words were, we dont care if you use them to make a coffee table, without the gun they are useless. I keep my cartridges in the cupboard next to my cabinet.
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