National debt, and an immensely stupid question ...

National debt, and an immensely stupid question ...

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superlightr

12,885 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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why did the govt not pay off the dept during the good times? perhaps even save some money for the bad time to come?

The tax take each year doesnt actually have to be spent and then some.


Stedman

7,241 posts

194 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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superlightr said:
why did the govt not pay off the dept during the good times? perhaps even save some money for the bad time to come?

The tax take each year doesnt actually have to be spent and then some.
idea

If only you shared this idea with the rest of the population. And added, 'and why did the government borrow so much'...


Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

263 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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superlightr said:
why did the govt not pay off the dept during the good times? perhaps even save some money for the bad time to come?
Gordon reckoned he had abolished boom and bust, so there weren't going to be any bad times.

Edited by Dr Jekyll on Thursday 2nd February 11:37

bobbylondonuk

2,199 posts

192 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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superlightr said:
why did the govt not pay off the dept during the good times? perhaps even save some money for the bad time to come?

The tax take each year doesnt actually have to be spent and then some.
If the govt of the day cant give you free st...how will they win an election again? To give you freebies...they tax high and borrow. Result is happy politicians and indebted nation.

NDA

21,775 posts

227 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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I'm not too sure about the gold standard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMb8Csll9Ws&fea...

Hooli

32,278 posts

202 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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Dr Jekyll said:
superlightr said:
why did the govt not pay off the dept during the good times? perhaps even save some money for the bad time to come?
Gordon reckoned he had abolished boom and bust, so there weren't going to be any bad times.
He did manage that, we never had any boom under nu labia.

DonkeyApple

56,370 posts

171 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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Halb said:
thegman said:
Good link.
It started with wars. Modern income tax came in as a precursor to the wars with Napoleon.


Could the UK ever go back to gold based currency instead of debt based currency?
I don't know much about the above, went looking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_fraction...
The real problem came about when they couldn't just expel or kill the Jews who lent them all the money when they got to the point where they had over borrowed and couldn't finance.

But then every European economy went into massive long term decline after each episode of expelling the financiers.

oyster

12,684 posts

250 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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hollydog said:
And now we have the olympics which we have borrowed to put on. Now here's an other one for you did we get the olympics fairly or did we get it cause uk is the only place that could afford it in this economic climate.Sorry moving away from the original question .
Dear PH HQ.

The process for registering is too easy. The most thick person on the planet is now on PH.

Can something be done?

Yours


jimothy

5,151 posts

239 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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As to the part about does every country have a national debt? Well, no.

Hong Kong has a massive surplus - they reckon the surplus for this year will be HK$100B, about eight billion quid. Their total cash pile is about HK$700B.

This means they're probably going to up the tax free allowance from nine thousand quid to ten thousand per person, and give every tax payer a thousand quid reduction on their tax bill.

Remind me again why I live here biggrin

essayer

9,138 posts

196 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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jimothy said:
As to the part about does every country have a national debt? Well, no.

Hong Kong has a massive surplus - they reckon the surplus for this year will be HK$100B, about eight billion quid. Their total cash pile is about HK$700B.

This means they're probably going to up the tax free allowance from nine thousand quid to ten thousand per person, and give every tax payer a thousand quid reduction on their tax bill.

Remind me again why I live here biggrin
Time we took Hong Kong back !

oyster

12,684 posts

250 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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jimothy said:
As to the part about does every country have a national debt? Well, no.

Hong Kong has a massive surplus - they reckon the surplus for this year will be HK$100B, about eight billion quid. Their total cash pile is about HK$700B.

This means they're probably going to up the tax free allowance from nine thousand quid to ten thousand per person, and give every tax payer a thousand quid reduction on their tax bill.

Remind me again why I live here biggrin
I wonder if the zone within the M25 would similarly run at a surplus....

fido

16,898 posts

257 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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oyster said:
I wonder if the zone within the M25 would similarly run at a surplus....
... if and only when the Benefits Cap is implemented, not to mention a cap on BTL landlords cashing in on housing benefits.

NDA

21,775 posts

227 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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oyster said:
I wonder if the zone within the M25 would similarly run at a surplus....
I think we should make this zone independent from the rest of the UK.

I just need to come up with a name for it.

BarnatosGhost

31,608 posts

255 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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oyster said:
I wonder if the zone within the M25 would similarly run at a surplus....
It might, but only if you allow the money/customers to flow in from the rest of the country. The high earners / high tax-payers in London are paid by businesses that make money from the whole country.

Interesting question.

davepoth

29,395 posts

201 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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Hooli said:
Dr Jekyll said:
superlightr said:
why did the govt not pay off the dept during the good times? perhaps even save some money for the bad time to come?
Gordon reckoned he had abolished boom and bust, so there weren't going to be any bad times.
He did manage that, we never had any boom under nu labia.
He kept telling us we were at the bottom of the economic cycle when we were actually at the top of the biggest boom in history, which was why he was selling everything we had and borrowing money with abandon.

jbi

12,682 posts

206 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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jimothy said:
As to the part about does every country have a national debt? Well, no.

Hong Kong has a massive surplus - they reckon the surplus for this year will be HK$100B, about eight billion quid. Their total cash pile is about HK$700B.

This means they're probably going to up the tax free allowance from nine thousand quid to ten thousand per person, and give every tax payer a thousand quid reduction on their tax bill.

Remind me again why I live here biggrin
The British government would just see it as an example of the British economy making too much money and them not getting enough of it. Up would go taxes.

Hooli

32,278 posts

202 months

Thursday 2nd February 2012
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davepoth said:
Hooli said:
Dr Jekyll said:
superlightr said:
why did the govt not pay off the dept during the good times? perhaps even save some money for the bad time to come?
Gordon reckoned he had abolished boom and bust, so there weren't going to be any bad times.
He did manage that, we never had any boom under nu labia.
He kept telling us we were at the bottom of the economic cycle when we were actually at the top of the biggest boom in history, which was why he was selling everything we had and borrowing money with abandon.
See, he was just ahead of his time. He got us to the bottom of the cycle by the time he'd finished.

The damn traitorous scum.