"Honour" = "Racist" ?????????

[DanDC5]

dingg said:

Funk said:

It's not an 'honour' killing, it's racially-motivated murder committed by backwards savages.

+1

+1

[996c2]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/91499...
"Stung by Mr Hussein’s rejection of her and their child, Miss Wilson decided to confront the men’s families and tell them she had had sexual relations with both of them."

It sounds like the boyfriend killed her because she was cheating on him and was telling everyone to shame him. Nothing to do with racism as far as I can see.

[13th]

Shay HTFC said:

But 'honour' describes the reason why the killing took place.
She wasn't just some random white girl in the street who got killed. She got 'romantically' involved with an Asian family and 'shamed' them (because they are racist).
Ultimately they killed her out of shame, which is by definition an honour killing.

It's MURDER; there is no "honour" in the evil actions of these people.

It was an abhorant act and should be condemned by ALL, there is no "honour" in murder and all that are complicit should equally be brought to justice.

[Funk]

996c2 said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/91499...
"Stung by Mr Hussein’s rejection of her and their child, Miss Wilson decided to confront the men’s families and tell them she had had sexual relations with both of them."

It sounds like the boyfriend killed her because she was cheating on him and was telling everyone to shame him. Nothing to do with racism as far as I can see.

But she was only killed because of the 'shame' element. Most people whose girlfriends cheat on them don't go around murdering them in the name of 'honour'.

[Oakey]

Funk said:

Most people whose girlfriends cheat on them don't go around murdering them in the name of 'honour'.

I imagine the thought has crossed their mind.

[996c2]

Funk said:

996c2 said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/91499...
"Stung by Mr Hussein’s rejection of her and their child, Miss Wilson decided to confront the men’s families and tell them she had had sexual relations with both of them."

It sounds like the boyfriend killed her because she was cheating on him and was telling everyone to shame him. Nothing to do with racism as far as I can see.

But she was only killed because of the 'shame' element. Most people whose girlfriends cheat on them don't go around murdering them in the name of 'honour'.

I agreed the 'shame' element was probably a big part of the motive. However, I think it was the shame of being cheated on (and everyone knowing about it) rather than the shame of going out with a white girl that led to the murder. I could be wrong but that's how I read it.

[Shay HTFC]

13th said:

Shay HTFC said:

But 'honour' describes the reason why the killing took place.
She wasn't just some random white girl in the street who got killed. She got 'romantically' involved with an Asian family and 'shamed' them (because they are racist).
Ultimately they killed her out of shame, which is by definition an honour killing.

It's MURDER; there is no "honour" in the evil actions of these people.

It was an abhorant act and should be condemned by ALL, there is no "honour" in murder and all that are complicit should equally be brought to justice.

By the same token though, you could say that we shouldn't mention 'gang-related murders' because murder is murder and the reason behind a murder is irrelevant.

The family killed this girl because of a perceived tarnishing of their honour. It was an honour killing by definition. That doesn't mean it was an honourable thing to do though.

In my opinion it just helps to classify what happened, it doesn't lessen the offence. In a way, I think its actually positive to call it an honour killing because it highlights the specific problem of honour killings in Britain. Labelling it as just a racist murder in a way trivialises what happened, imo, and takes it out of its true context.

[AndrewW-G]

I can’t see where the telegraph article suggests that she cheated on anybody, my take on it, was that she had a relationship with #1, became pregnant, started a relationship with #2, whilst trying to get #1 to live up to his responsibilities as a father and when it all came to a head, both #1 and #2 plotted to kill her

It was a good idea this multiculturism isn’t it

[carmonk]

It's OK though, justice has been done. The first scum, who fathered the kid then didn't want anything to do with it and later discussed getting hold of a gun to do in the mother, has escaped without punishment. The guy who smashed the girl's head to pulp with a hammer has been jailed for 17 years. Even taking this as a minimum sentence (yeah right), he'll be out before he's 37, which will give him plenty of time to kill a few more girls for his 'honour'.

[mrloudly]

Oakey said:

Funk said:

Most people whose girlfriends cheat on them don't go around murdering them in the name of 'honour'.

I imagine the thought has crossed their mind.

Errr no...

[mrloudly]

carmonk said:

It's OK though, justice has been done. The first scum, who fathered the kid then didn't want anything to do with it and later discussed getting hold of a gun to do in the mother, has escaped without punishment. The guy who smashed the girl's head to pulp with a hammer has been jailed for 17 years. Even taking this as a minimum sentence (yeah right), he'll be out before he's 37, which will give him plenty of time to kill a few more girls for his 'honour'.

Or do it without bringing shame on the family by marrying a breeder imported specially from Lahore...

[13th]

Shay HTFC said:

The family killed this girl because of a perceived tarnishing of their honour. It was an honour killing by definition. That doesn't mean it was an honourable thing to do though.

WTF? are you for real?

Murder is murder. Especially when the victim is innocent of nothing more than getting mixed up with a family of bigots. Honour? hahaha I doubt they could even understand the word.

[Marf]

13th said:

WTF? are you for real?

Settle petal. He is for real, he's merely describing the way these savages see what they're doing, i.e. as something which is done to protect the "honour" of their family.

It's barbaric, medieval and alien to modern western culture, but let's not fly off the handle when people attempt to explain this bullst from the perspective of the savages, mmmmkay.

[13th]

Marf said:

Settle petal.;)

OK I'll lighten up; only because being called "petal" made me fall about laughing

But otherwise my point stands; sweetie

[Marf]

Glad we could smooth this over snookums.

[Changedmyname]

Any normal person would not do this.I believe he was told to by his peers.

[12gauge]

blindswelledrat said:

I don't disagree but my point remains. WHy teh need to attatch a label to it?
AN honour killing, a racially motivated killing, a motiveless killing, a road-rage killing. A murder is a murder.

Lawyers can make more if they wrap more legal jargon around it and draw trials out longer. Thats the general motivation for most new laws made from about 1980 onwards. Whoever loses, the lawyers win.

[Shay HTFC]

12gauge said:

blindswelledrat said:

I don't disagree but my point remains. WHy teh need to attatch a label to it?
AN honour killing, a racially motivated killing, a motiveless killing, a road-rage killing. A murder is a murder.

Lawyers can make more if they wrap more legal jargon around it and draw trials out longer. Thats the general motivation for most new laws made from about 1980 onwards. Whoever loses, the lawyers win.

Yeah, thats it.

[chim]

Boydie88 said:

Spot on. It appears in this day and age you can't be racist if you're ethnic 'minority'.

This story really pissed me off at the time... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Mu...

How much is exagerated by the Fail is questionable but the CCTV footage is disgusting and what would have happened if it was the other way around?

Sorry, but I would not have held back. I would have kicked the total and utter fk out of these bhes.

[mrloudly]

chim said:

Boydie88 said:

Spot on. It appears in this day and age you can't be racist if you're ethnic 'minority'.

This story really pissed me off at the time... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Mu...

How much is exagerated by the Fail is questionable but the CCTV footage is disgusting and what would have happened if it was the other way around?

Sorry, but I would not have held back. I would have kicked the total and utter fk out of these bhes.

We appear to have thousands of Somalis living here, do we owe them as living as well? In Northampton none of them appear to be in gainful employment but instead
spend their days chewing Khat and setting up "Somali community centres". Maybe we should argue that cannabis is a "Cultural" high of choice for English whites...