Chinese girl using mobile disappears into sink hole

[Steameh]

tvrolet said:

Sadly it's true. This was a big news story north of the border - Daily Mail link came up first when searching - sorry
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062590/Al...

All the Scottish media were carrying this story at the time and the resulting court case - don't know if it was newsworthy anywhere else...

I'd rather die trying to save someone than live with the knowledge that my inaction left someone dead.

[Tiggsy]

Steameh said:

tvrolet said:

Sadly it's true. This was a big news story north of the border - Daily Mail link came up first when searching - sorry
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062590/Al...

All the Scottish media were carrying this story at the time and the resulting court case - don't know if it was newsworthy anywhere else...

I'd rather die trying to save someone than live with the knowledge that my inaction left someone dead.

But thats not a very sensible approach and why we have (some) of the H&S rules. Once a year we get reports of police not diving into lakes to pull out people in trouble. When you read the story properly it turns out the police arrive 10 mins after the 99 call and the body is long since dead (no matter how excited the bystanders on the bank may be)

In such cases the cop is LITERALLY risking their life when inaction or not, the person will be left dead.

DOesnt apply to this story....but this story doesnt make a lot of the Mail H&S bashing always right.

[Milky Joe]

Made me chuckle how many people they could get round a hole where the pavement had just given way.

[Steameh]

Tiggsy said:

But thats not a very sensible approach and why we have (some) of the H&S rules. Once a year we get reports of police not diving into lakes to pull out people in trouble. When you read the story properly it turns out the police arrive 10 mins after the 99 call and the body is long since dead (no matter how excited the bystanders on the bank may be)

In such cases the cop is LITERALLY risking their life when inaction or not, the person will be left dead.

DOesnt apply to this story....but this story doesnt make a lot of the Mail H&S bashing always right.

As you say its more about this story, where by the equipment and means to actaully save her life was on scene, but they chose to wait.

Still, I'd like to think if I was in a situation where my life was in danger, and I was definitely still alive, someone would help me, as I would them.

[thinfourth2]

Graboids

Its got all the markings of a graboid built trap

[Mr_B]

Was expecting an amusing GIF done by someone by now off an amusing mouth around the hole swallowing the girl up.

[Asterix]

tvrolet said:

motco said:

They fished her out by putting a ladder down the hole. In Europe it would have necessitated closing the whole street, calling out four fire appliances, twenty police cars, the Health and Safety Executive of the local council, and the air ambulance. She could have died of hunger before she would have been rescued.

Sadly it's true. This was a big news story north of the border - Daily Mail link came up first when searching - sorry
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062590/Al...

All the Scottish media were carrying this story at the time and the resulting court case - don't know if it was newsworthy anywhere else...

That's appalling! The OiC is a coward, has no spine and should be hounded out of the service with his job going to someone with balls.

Always reminded of this story when H&S stupidity raises its head - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/871...

[turbobloke]

Happened again, this time in Taiwan - the chap disappearing into the sink hole was less lucky, but the reporter got the right idea in time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/tai...

[skinley]

turbobloke said:

Happened again, this time in Taiwan - the chap disappearing into the sink hole was less lucky, but the reporter got the right idea in time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/tai...

[Derek Smith]

The problem is not with H&S but with lawyers. If anyone gets injured then they can claim, and after years as well. Insurance companies will put in conditions and these have to be complied with before they see themselves at risk. Half the effort of insurance companies is looking for ways not to pay back those who paid them money.

I know of a woman who runs swimming training. One of her students rand down some steps, then took a short cut across some flower gardens, fell over and hurt her leg slightly. The woman apologised for ignoring the signs. The woman sued for £10,000. It would cost £30,000 to fight the claim and that is lost money. The insurance company have argued that they were not at risk so the woman has to pay out 8 months' profit or else, as she has chosen to do, shut her business.

It's a sick world and H&S is nothing more than complying with the insurance dragons who are under pressure from ambulance chasers.

Want to see Lewes fireworks? Then hurry up because it won't be long before the lawyers shut that down.

[frosted]

Derek Smith said:

The problem is not with H&S but with lawyers. If anyone gets injured then they can claim, and after years as well. Insurance companies will put in conditions and these have to be complied with before they see themselves at risk. Half the effort of insurance companies is looking for ways not to pay back those who paid them money.

I know of a woman who runs swimming training. One of her students rand down some steps, then took a short cut across some flower gardens, fell over and hurt her leg slightly. The woman apologised for ignoring the signs. The woman sued for £10,000. It would cost £30,000 to fight the claim and that is lost money. The insurance company have argued that they were not at risk so the woman has to pay out 8 months' profit or else, as she has chosen to do, shut her business.

It's a sick world and H&S is nothing more than complying with the insurance dragons who are under pressure from ambulance chasers.

Want to see Lewes fireworks? Then hurry up because it won't be long before the lawyers shut that down.

It's a sad world out there. No fun Britain

[Mojocvh]

turbobloke said:

tvrolet said:

motco said:

They fished her out by putting a ladder down the hole. In Europe it would have necessitated closing the whole street, calling out four fire appliances, twenty police cars, the Health and Safety Executive of the local council, and the air ambulance. She could have died of hunger before she would have been rescued.

Sadly it's true. This was a big news story north of the border - Daily Mail link came up first when searching - sorry
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062590/Al...

All the Scottish media were carrying this story at the time and the resulting court case - don't know if it was newsworthy anywhere else...

Mrs Hume was still conscious but had a collapsed lung, several broken ribs and a broken sternum.

"While the rescue operation was in progress, group commander Paul Stewart arrived as a media relations officer. He assumed command after realising he was the most senior officer there. His first move was to stop a paramedic who was already strapped in a harness from being lowered. And he refused to allow colleagues to rescue her using ropes because they had not received the correct training. Mr Stewart feared they could be sued if the mission failed. Incredibly, he told a fatal accident inquiry that the operation had a ‘successful outcome’ because the casualty was ultimately removed from the shaft."








"I found their evidence bullish, if not arrogant, in their determination to justify the subservience of the need to carry out a rescue to the need to fulfil to the letter…brigade policy"
Sheriff Desmond Leslie

Oh aye, then there was the lassie left to die in a smoke filled set of flats in Dundee as well, cowards afraid to take any responsibility in the performance of their duties...