New Baby Boom

[Disgusted]

In my area we have had at least two huge spikes in birth rates over the last few years. It is easy to tell when they occurred by the numbers of English kids being forced to go to primary schools at least 5 miles from home.

[Happy82]

BoRED S2upid said:

AJS- said:

if the right people are breeding

Thats a massive if. I would imagine the right people aren't part of this and are too busy working and too concernd about job security and getting a decent sized house to bring up a family in.

My partner gave birth last week, unfortunately the scum breeders and sex accidents outnumbered the decent working types on the wards. Was funny to hear a dad say "as if we'll get any help, I work!" when offered a leaflet on benefits they may be entitled too

[Amateurish]

Puggit said:

OK, I'll say it. This little boom has 2 major factors:

1) Benefit parents - thanks to Labour's oh-so-kind policies.
2) Immigration - thanks to Labour's open-door policies.

Source?

And what do you mean by benefit parents. Currently all parents are benefit parents.

[BoRED S2upid]

Happy82 said:

BoRED S2upid said:

AJS- said:

if the right people are breeding

Thats a massive if. I would imagine the right people aren't part of this and are too busy working and too concernd about job security and getting a decent sized house to bring up a family in.

My partner gave birth last week, unfortunately the scum breeders and sex accidents outnumbered the decent working types on the wards. Was funny to hear a dad say "as if we'll get any help, I work!" when offered a leaflet on benefits they may be entitled too

You get a benefits leaflet ON THE WARD?! who gives these out the NHS? This country never fails to surprise me.

[thetapeworm]

BoRED S2upid said:

You get a benefits leaflet ON THE WARD?! who gives these out the NHS? This country never fails to surprise me.

Then when you go to register the name of the child the focus is less about names and more about a huge tick-list of potential new benefits you might be entitled to get... if you can't be arsed to work and are on benefits already. All of this while surrounded with signs telling you that you don't need to be forced into an arranged marriage and that translators are available at your request.

[Amateurish]

BoRED S2upid said:

You get a benefits leaflet ON THE WARD?! who gives these out the NHS? This country never fails to surprise me.

Why not? When you have kids, everyone becomes entitled to a range of benefits, depending on circumstances. Clearly a maternity ward is a good location for the government to make new parents aware of these.

[AJS-]

Amateurish said:

BoRED S2upid said:

You get a benefits leaflet ON THE WARD?! who gives these out the NHS? This country never fails to surprise me.

Why not? When you have kids, everyone becomes entitled to a range of benefits, depending on circumstances. Clearly a maternity ward is a good location for the government to make new parents aware of these.

What I find annoying about it is that I view it as my responsibility to provide for my family. If it ever became so desperate that I could not then I would seek out and take what help was available. To actually go around the wards promoting these benefits as some sort of a part and parcel of ordinary parenthood just goes against the grain on several levels.

Firstly it takes away that pressing need that I very acutely feel to provide for my family. The state will pay so why should I do overtime, chase a promotion or push my business?

Secondly it divides families. I'm sure this won't go down well with some, but it undermines the father's role as a breadwinner, and the natural sense of healthy interdependency that goes with that.

Thirdly it extends the moral hazard inherent in benefits. Struggling young couples who might not otherwise have considered a life on benefits might find the range on offer too tempting.

[Greg_D]

We are expecting a little girl on 28th September

I would like to think that we are representative of 'the right sort'

our decision was very unemotional, our accountant was insistent that we got a will (for financial reasons - i was shocked to find out that the wife would only get the first £300odd-k if i went under a bus, the rest would be able to be claimed by family) it was when we were down to discussing which dog/donkey sanctuary to leave money to that made us discuss, for real, what our wishes were for kids.

The key question was "do we want what our parents have when we are older", ie. having input to another's life, having people come round, xmas dinner etc. in short, being able to share our life/knowledge and experiences with the next generation. The answer was yes, we did want that.

when we started to do research into fertility (wife and i both 35) we realised that, having procrastinated for the last 10 years in the pursuit of wealth and 'true' financial security - zero debt, that we would really have to get our act together as the window was rapidly closing FOR EVER.... (40% @ 35, 1%@40 )

I must admit that there was always a little guilt when we were in the 'we don't want kids' stage about all the scum breeding the quality out of the country and it was my responsibility to try and even the odds with a nicely educated, well rounded, productive member of society.

I shall take it as my personal mission to ensure that she has the best of everything and every opportunity that nurturing, money and love can provide to empower her to achieve anything that she wants to in life.

Hopefully, we are symptomatic of the new baby boom, and if that is so, then it can only be a good thing imo.

[DJRC]

Greg_D said:

We are expecting a little girl on 28th September

I would like to think that we are representative of 'the right sort'

our decision was very unemotional, our accountant was insistent that we got a will (for financial reasons - i was shocked to find out that the wife would only get the first £300odd-k if i went under a bus, the rest would be able to be claimed by family) it was when we were down to discussing which dog/donkey sanctuary to leave money to that made us discuss, for real, what our wishes were for kids.

The key question was "do we want what our parents have when we are older", ie. having input to another's life, having people come round, xmas dinner etc. in short, being able to share our life/knowledge and experiences with the next generation. The answer was yes, we did want that.

when we started to do research into fertility (wife and i both 35) we realised that, having procrastinated for the last 10 years in the pursuit of wealth and 'true' financial security - zero debt, that we would really have to get our act together as the window was rapidly closing FOR EVER.... (40% @ 35, 1%@40 )

I must admit that there was always a little guilt when we were in the 'we don't want kids' stage about all the scum breeding the quality out of the country and it was my responsibility to try and even the odds with a nicely educated, well rounded, productive member of society.

I shall take it as my personal mission to ensure that she has the best of everything and every opportunity that nurturing, money and love can provide to empower her to achieve anything that she wants to in life.

Hopefully, we are symptomatic of the new baby boom, and if that is so, then it can only be a good thing imo.

Hold on Greg, arent you in frigging Kilsby? Has your wife put my wife upto this??? Damn it, my wife is even more sneaky than I thought!

[Mr E]

Recession; brave company that makes a pregnant woman (or one on maternity) redundant.

T-minus 11 weeks.

[Amateurish]

AJS- said:

Amateurish said:

BoRED S2upid said:

You get a benefits leaflet ON THE WARD?! who gives these out the NHS? This country never fails to surprise me.

Why not? When you have kids, everyone becomes entitled to a range of benefits, depending on circumstances. Clearly a maternity ward is a good location for the government to make new parents aware of these.

What I find annoying about it is that I view it as my responsibility to provide for my family. If it ever became so desperate that I could not then I would seek out and take what help was available. To actually go around the wards promoting these benefits as some sort of a part and parcel of ordinary parenthood just goes against the grain on several levels.

Firstly it takes away that pressing need that I very acutely feel to provide for my family. The state will pay so why should I do overtime, chase a promotion or push my business?

Secondly it divides families. I'm sure this won't go down well with some, but it undermines the father's role as a breadwinner, and the natural sense of healthy interdependency that goes with that.

Thirdly it extends the moral hazard inherent in benefits. Struggling young couples who might not otherwise have considered a life on benefits might find the range on offer too tempting.

If those benefits are available to you, then why not take them? I get child benefit (for the moment) and have no moral issue with claiming it. It doesn't make me any less responsible for supporting my family, or "divide" us. I really don't know what you mean by the latter point.

If you accept that those benefits are to be made available, then there is nothing wrong with ensuring that all those who qualify are made aware that they are available to them. For those not "in the know" it can be very useful. When we had kids, the following benefits became available to us:

child benefit
health in pregnancy grant
child trust fund
child tax credits
child element of working tax credits

It's a complicated system and it is efficient for the NHS to be making families aware of the details.

[Amateurish]

thetapeworm said:

BoRED S2upid said:

You get a benefits leaflet ON THE WARD?! who gives these out the NHS? This country never fails to surprise me.

Then when you go to register the name of the child the focus is less about names and more about a huge tick-list of potential new benefits you might be entitled to get... if you can't be arsed to work and are on benefits already. All of this while surrounded with signs telling you that you don't need to be forced into an arranged marriage and that translators are available at your request.

You actually get more money for having kids if you are working, than if you are not.

[russ_a]

I always remember sat in the hospital waiting for our first scan. The waiting room was filled with Mansfields finest!.

A nurse came out and shouted out the name of a young girl who was accompanied by two young men wearing the latest tracksuits. As then walked into the scan room one of the young inbreds asked the other if they would be able to tell who the dad was from the scan!!

[turbobloke]

The country is currently in the grip of a school place shortage at Reception Class age in many areas particularly in London. It's estimated that 2000 new Primary Schools are needed in the next three years, or equivalent places in existing schools which have playgrounds already spattered with portakabins.



If the preggers population remains on the up then somebody somewhere had better look up 'strategic planning' and get a move on.

[AJS-]

Amateurish said:

If those benefits are available to you, then why not take them? I get child benefit (for the moment) and have no moral issue with claiming it. It doesn't make me any less responsible for supporting my family, or "divide" us. I really don't know what you mean by the latter point.

If you accept that those benefits are to be made available, then there is nothing wrong with ensuring that all those who qualify are made aware that they are available to them. For those not "in the know" it can be very useful. When we had kids, the following benefits became available to us:

child benefit
health in pregnancy grant
child trust fund
child tax credits
child element of working tax credits

It's a complicated system and it is efficient for the NHS to be making families aware of the details.

No moral problem with people taking what is available to them, I'm just of the opinion that help should be sought out when needed rather than given to people as a matter of course.

I'd happily scrap all those benefits and replace them with a single top up payment for those in desperate need, but I wouldn't have people wondering around hospitals promoting it.

[Greg_D]

turbobloke said:

The country is currently in the grip of a school place shortage at Reception Class age in many areas particularly in London. It's estimated that 2000 new Primary Schools are needed in the next three years, or equivalent places in existing schools which have playgrounds already spattered with portakabins.



If the preggers population remains on the up then somebody somewhere had better look up 'strategic planning' and get a move on.

did i mention that i'm in the education recruitment game!!! woo hoo...

[turbobloke]

Greg_D said:

turbobloke said:

The country is currently in the grip of a school place shortage at Reception Class age in many areas particularly in London. It's estimated that 2000 new Primary Schools are needed in the next three years, or equivalent places in existing schools which have playgrounds already spattered with portakabins.



If the preggers population remains on the up then somebody somewhere had better look up 'strategic planning' and get a move on.

did i mention that i'm in the education recruitment game!!! woo hoo...

Woo and indeed hoo for you

[BoRED S2upid]

Amateurish said:

BoRED S2upid said:

You get a benefits leaflet ON THE WARD?! who gives these out the NHS? This country never fails to surprise me.

Why not? When you have kids, everyone becomes entitled to a range of benefits, depending on circumstances. Clearly a maternity ward is a good location for the government to make new parents aware of these.

I just had this image in my head of them handing over the baby and a cheque I don't think you should automatically get a range of benefits for having a child.

[Miguel Alvarez]

Non PH moment - To be fair the few times we've been for scans the waiting rooms have been filled with what looked like reasonable members of society. The only telling thing was that the midwife asked me if I was happy the missus was pregnant. Not that the question itself was bad just that the tone implied to me most men that came in were dragged and in and didn't care.

[thetapeworm]

Amateurish said:

thetapeworm said:

BoRED S2upid said:

You get a benefits leaflet ON THE WARD?! who gives these out the NHS? This country never fails to surprise me.

Then when you go to register the name of the child the focus is less about names and more about a huge tick-list of potential new benefits you might be entitled to get... if you can't be arsed to work and are on benefits already. All of this while surrounded with signs telling you that you don't need to be forced into an arranged marriage and that translators are available at your request.

You actually get more money for having kids if you are working, than if you are not.

Show me the money!