Prison retribution for child rape
Discussion
groak said:
Child rapists? Psycho killers? Whole spectrum of weirdo dangerous murder brutes?
Here's a choice: 1) Keep them in quality environments surrounded by experts and specialists for up to 50 years till they're dead because it's too unsafe to let them out
2) Give them a knockout jag and stick them in a crematorium incinerator.
What would really stupid people in a near bankrupt country choose?
The first one. Lots of jobs for experts, lots of cash floating about for facilities.Here's a choice: 1) Keep them in quality environments surrounded by experts and specialists for up to 50 years till they're dead because it's too unsafe to let them out
2) Give them a knockout jag and stick them in a crematorium incinerator.
What would really stupid people in a near bankrupt country choose?
RegMolehusband said:
So Michael Parr and Nathan Mann basically received no punishment for this murder. Who will their next victim be I wonder?
What punishment can you give a convicted double murderer and another convicted of attempted murder?They obviously don't give a f
k about the 'system' or 'punishment' of jail time.Death?
Forty lashes?
Sad times that murderers keep murdering and all we can do is say 'well sunshine, we're going to keep you locked up for a bit longer' when in reality, their lives are so screwed up anyway they simply won't care.
Don't get me wrong, no sympathy for a child rapist, but should he have been kept in the same block as someone described as "one of the most dangerous men in the criminal justice system" ?
They either need to be put down, or given a role in the jail of murdering people to thin out the numbers really.
RegMolehusband said:
I could think of many things but perhaps we should consider inducing these sort of people into a permament vegetative state. It's not returning to the death penalty and I'm sure the running costs could be made very low......
I rather like this idea. Nicely gets around the tricky 'maybe they didn't do it' moral question surrounding the death penalty. You could bung them all into Matrix-style sustenance pods. Blackpuddin said:
I rather like this idea. Nicely gets around the tricky 'maybe they didn't do it' moral question surrounding the death penalty. You could bung them all into Matrix-style sustenance pods.
Is there a 'maybe they didn't do it' question in this case?I can see no possible argument against capital punishment for these two.
Edited by XCP on Saturday 14th July 12:22
XCP said:
RegMolehusband said:
So Michael Parr and Nathan Mann basically received no punishment for this murder. Who will their next victim be I wonder?
If we had capital punishment you wouldn't need to ask that question.Once there of course they would realise the errors of their ways, turn over a new leaf and sneak back to the UK to be model citizens and we'd all live happily ever after.
The capital punishment argument really is a load of old b
ks (unless you are a lawyer looking to make a huge fortune out of twenty+ years of appeals).7mike said:
No, because they would have hopped on a ferry to France and not been caught in the first place knowing the rest of Europe will not extradite to counties with the death penalty.
Once there of course they would realise the errors of their ways, turn over a new leaf and sneak back to the UK to be model citizens and we'd all live happily ever after.
The capital punishment argument really is a load of old bks (unless you are a lawyer looking to make a huge fortune out of twenty+ years of appeals).
Hopped on a ferry? they were ( and have remained) in a high security prison!Once there of course they would realise the errors of their ways, turn over a new leaf and sneak back to the UK to be model citizens and we'd all live happily ever after.
The capital punishment argument really is a load of old b
ks (unless you are a lawyer looking to make a huge fortune out of twenty+ years of appeals).Jasandjules said:
Buzz word said:
That said I don't think it is acceptable for lawless thugs to go metering out justice. That is for the courts to decide.
When the majority of people believe that this is justice, then it is. If the courts have insufficient power then people will take matters into their own hands. That is democracy for you!As terrible as the crimes of the deceased were, I can't possibly suggest that it's a good thing he's dead. If he'd topped himself, I bet the reactions on here would've been very different, despite the outcome being the same...
XCP said:
7mike said:
No, because they would have hopped on a ferry to France and not been caught in the first place knowing the rest of Europe will not extradite to counties with the death penalty.
Once there of course they would realise the errors of their ways, turn over a new leaf and sneak back to the UK to be model citizens and we'd all live happily ever after.
The capital punishment argument really is a load of old bks (unless you are a lawyer looking to make a huge fortune out of twenty+ years of appeals).
Hopped on a ferry? they were ( and have remained) in a high security prison!Once there of course they would realise the errors of their ways, turn over a new leaf and sneak back to the UK to be model citizens and we'd all live happily ever after.
The capital punishment argument really is a load of old b
ks (unless you are a lawyer looking to make a huge fortune out of twenty+ years of appeals).Butter Face said:
Don't get me wrong, no sympathy for a child rapist, but should he have been kept in the same block as someone described as "one of the most dangerous men in the criminal justice system" ?
Yes, it should become policy that child rapists are held in the same block as the most dangerous men in prison.LukeBird said:
Do you really believe that?
Yes. I believe in democracy and that to me means that whatever the majority of people believe should be done, is what should be done.So if 51% of the country said they want to execute child killers/rapists - then that is what the law should be.
Bear in mind we revoke our right to revenge ourselves in the so called social contract with the state and therefore the state is to my mind under an obligation to deal with justice (of which revenge is a part, the person who is wronged or their family are "entitled" to revenge) in accordance with the views of the majority.
thehawk said:
Butter Face said:
Don't get me wrong, no sympathy for a child rapist, but should he have been kept in the same block as someone described as "one of the most dangerous men in the criminal justice system" ?
Yes, it should become policy that child rapists are held in the same block as the most dangerous men in prison.Jasandjules said:
LukeBird said:
Do you really believe that?
Yes. I believe in democracy and that to me means that whatever the majority of people believe should be done, is what should be done.So if 51% of the country said they want to execute child killers/rapists - then that is what the law should be.
Bear in mind we revoke our right to revenge ourselves in the so called social contract with the state and therefore the state is to my mind under an obligation to deal with justice (of which revenge is a part, the person who is wronged or their family are "entitled" to revenge) in accordance with the views of the majority.
Funny how such a thread isn't garnering the spirited views as the ones on executions etc. in the Middle East.
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