Plastic bag campaign - one question
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More effort should be placed in educating the stupid fish and turtles that eat plastic bags.
You don't get cats and dogs eating plastic bags.
If marine life is stupid to the point it will eat anything that isn't the sea, then they need to take a good hard look at themselves and think about why lunged fish started to walk out of the oceans.
I'll bet embarrassment played a big part.
You don't get cats and dogs eating plastic bags.
If marine life is stupid to the point it will eat anything that isn't the sea, then they need to take a good hard look at themselves and think about why lunged fish started to walk out of the oceans.
I'll bet embarrassment played a big part.
Cannot see what the problems is. Get bag of your own, keep it till it breaks or use something more durable. Hate to guess how many carrier bags are/were used every day and wonder where they all end up. Bet many do not see second use as a bin liner, not looked at peoples bins to see but I do see many lining hedge rows and drifting around towns, the local tips always seemed to have them wafting around outside the hole in the ground.
I find it odd now, when I work in England, trying to juggle the lunch order out of the supermarket and told why not use a bag.. They are free. Time to nail food packaging next.
I find it odd now, when I work in England, trying to juggle the lunch order out of the supermarket and told why not use a bag.. They are free. Time to nail food packaging next.
Bibbs said:
Plastic is better than paper.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/83366...
If the bags are reused in household bins they are actually better as they don't breakup before hitting landfill.
Paper bags deteriorate and then the contents get spilled before they can get covered, spreading the litter.
One thing forgot to mention in that is that to use the paper bag 3 times is basing the fact the plastic bag gets reused as well.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/83366...
If the bags are reused in household bins they are actually better as they don't breakup before hitting landfill.
Paper bags deteriorate and then the contents get spilled before they can get covered, spreading the litter.
jmorgan said:
Cannot see what the problems is. Get bag of your own, keep it till it breaks or use something more durable. Hate to guess how many carrier bags are/were used every day and wonder where they all end up. Bet many do not see second use as a bin liner, not looked at peoples bins to see but I do see many lining hedge rows and drifting around towns, the local tips always seemed to have them wafting around outside the hole in the ground.
I find it odd now, when I work in England, trying to juggle the lunch order out of the supermarket and told why not use a bag.. They are free. Time to nail food packaging next.
I agree. Everyone moaned when they brought in the bag tax, but now it's like the old days. When people go shopping they take bags with them.I find it odd now, when I work in England, trying to juggle the lunch order out of the supermarket and told why not use a bag.. They are free. Time to nail food packaging next.
We've been told for years that we need to reduce waste and most people are lazy and need a push into doing it.
Appreciate that we should always try to re-use items where possible. But, and this is a very big but to me, it drives me fu*king insaine when I stand at the till clearly not holding a bag to be given 20 or so items, and be asked " oh, do you need a bag!"
Combine this with a self service till with no bags and a 'staff assistance required' flashing alarm and we have the perfect storm for a gun rampage.
It makes me never want to buy anything again, or possibly go on hunger strike.
Combine this with a self service till with no bags and a 'staff assistance required' flashing alarm and we have the perfect storm for a gun rampage.
It makes me never want to buy anything again, or possibly go on hunger strike.
Four Litre said:
Appreciate that we should always try to re-use items where possible. But, and this is a very big but to me, it drives me fu*king insaine when I stand at the till clearly not holding a bag to be given 20 or so items, and be asked " oh, do you need a bag!"
Combine this with a self service till with no bags and a 'staff assistance required' flashing alarm and we have the perfect storm for a gun rampage.
It makes me never want to buy anything again, or possibly go on hunger strike.
Once, at Marksies, I went through an express till with 10 items. Feeling particularly malevolent, I realise the lady wasn't offering me a bag. I was paying by card, so had no cash whatsoever on me. I finished the transaction, and we looked at each other in a sort of Mexican standoff. Only with potatoes and stuff, rather than guns. Then I asked her for a bag, she told me it would be 5p, and I asked her to put it through on the card.Combine this with a self service till with no bags and a 'staff assistance required' flashing alarm and we have the perfect storm for a gun rampage.
It makes me never want to buy anything again, or possibly go on hunger strike.
I got a free bag.
We've had plastic bag levies in Ireland since 2002, currently 22c per bag.
For normal shopping it poses no issues as clothes shops etc will give free paper bags, but it's an expensive PITA when you decide to go to the supermarket after forgetting to stick the reusable bags back in the car boot.
This would be solved if supermarkets would offer paper bags at 5c each or whatever, but they don't. I suspect they make more profit from selling reusable ones.
http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Waste/Plastic...
For normal shopping it poses no issues as clothes shops etc will give free paper bags, but it's an expensive PITA when you decide to go to the supermarket after forgetting to stick the reusable bags back in the car boot.
This would be solved if supermarkets would offer paper bags at 5c each or whatever, but they don't. I suspect they make more profit from selling reusable ones.
http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Waste/Plastic...
voyds9 said:
I often don't plan to go to the supermarket but get the phone call from the missus to 'just pop in and get'.
I already avoid M&S with their charge.
Just for info. M&S do have a smaller plastic bag that is free.I already avoid M&S with their charge.
Why don't the supermarkets use 'plastic/poly' bags that decompose? Simples.
Don't say they aren't strong enough, have you seen how thin Sainsbury's bags are!
Biodegradable carrier bags have been available for some time and supermarkets would be buying them in mass bulk numbers, so the unit cost would be next to nothing for them.
Wonder how much the supermarkets pay for their plastic bags plus the printing on them?
TheEnd said:
More effort should be placed in educating the stupid fish and turtles that eat plastic bags.
You don't get cats and dogs eating plastic bags.
If marine life is stupid to the point it will eat anything that isn't the sea, then they need to take a good hard look at themselves and think about why lunged fish started to walk out of the oceans.
I'll bet embarrassment played a big part.
Since no one else gave you a You don't get cats and dogs eating plastic bags.
If marine life is stupid to the point it will eat anything that isn't the sea, then they need to take a good hard look at themselves and think about why lunged fish started to walk out of the oceans.
I'll bet embarrassment played a big part.
I will! It made me chuckle!dandarez said:
Just for info. M&S do have a smaller plastic bag that is free.
Why don't the supermarkets use 'plastic/poly' bags that decompose? Simples.
Don't say they aren't strong enough, have you seen how thin Sainsbury's bags are!
Biodegradable carrier bags have been available for some time and supermarkets would be buying them in mass bulk numbers, so the unit cost would be next to nothing for them.
Wonder how much the supermarkets pay for their plastic bags plus the printing on them?
Tesco do use bidegradable bags, they start to decompose after a year I believe. And yes we do get comments about them not being as strong as they used to be, and people asking to "double bag".Why don't the supermarkets use 'plastic/poly' bags that decompose? Simples.
Don't say they aren't strong enough, have you seen how thin Sainsbury's bags are!
Biodegradable carrier bags have been available for some time and supermarkets would be buying them in mass bulk numbers, so the unit cost would be next to nothing for them.
Wonder how much the supermarkets pay for their plastic bags plus the printing on them?
Whatever happened to 'Bio-degradable' bags? 
ETA: Just seen comments above. Surely bio-degradable bags have been around for years. If I remember correctly, The Body Shop were one of the major players in getting them introduced back in the 80's.
ETA: Just seen comments above. Surely bio-degradable bags have been around for years. If I remember correctly, The Body Shop were one of the major players in getting them introduced back in the 80's.
Edited by MartinM on Thursday 2nd August 15:09
eccles said:
I agree. Everyone moaned when they brought in the bag tax, but now it's like the old days. When people go shopping they take bags with them.
We've been told for years that we need to reduce waste and most people are lazy and need a push into doing it.
Do they take their own paper bags to McDonalds?We've been told for years that we need to reduce waste and most people are lazy and need a push into doing it.
Lost_BMW said:
eccles said:
I agree. Everyone moaned when they brought in the bag tax, but now it's like the old days. When people go shopping they take bags with them.
We've been told for years that we need to reduce waste and most people are lazy and need a push into doing it.
Do they take their own paper bags to McDonalds?We've been told for years that we need to reduce waste and most people are lazy and need a push into doing it.
eccles said:
Lost_BMW said:
eccles said:
I agree. Everyone moaned when they brought in the bag tax, but now it's like the old days. When people go shopping they take bags with them.
We've been told for years that we need to reduce waste and most people are lazy and need a push into doing it.
Do they take their own paper bags to McDonalds?We've been told for years that we need to reduce waste and most people are lazy and need a push into doing it.
They need shooting!
The McRonalds (and the like) example is the only one I have an issue with. For everything else you should take your own or buy one of the re-usales if you forgot/didn't mean to buy that much/etc.
It is not a question of ripping money out of people but a question of public stupidity. Tell someone something is free and they'll take one even if they don't really need it. Heck they'll take 2 or 3. Tell them that they will have to pay 1p and they will stop a second to think if they really need it or not.
It is not a question of ripping money out of people but a question of public stupidity. Tell someone something is free and they'll take one even if they don't really need it. Heck they'll take 2 or 3. Tell them that they will have to pay 1p and they will stop a second to think if they really need it or not.
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