Winnie Johnson Dies
Discussion
plasticpig said:
aryastark said:
Not sure if I've missed something, but why not torture the little s
te until he tells all?...
And sink to the same level as Brady? He hasn't even been convicted of Keith Johnsons murder. The CPS refused to prosecute him for it. It's all very sad but the police have already spent enormous resources looking for the remains. Those resources are far better spent looking after the living rather than someone who was murdered 42 years ago.te until he tells all?...Endless foreign aid, nuclear missile, inefficient Government etc and we can't spend a bit of money and time finding just 1 boy.
plasticpig said:
And sink to the same level as Brady? He hasn't even been convicted of Keith Johnsons murder. The CPS refused to prosecute him for it. It's all very sad but the police have already spent enormous resources looking for the remains. Those resources are far better spent looking after the living rather than someone who was murdered 42 years ago.
It's way before my time but do we know for certain they were actually responsible for his disappearance? Oakey said:
plasticpig said:
And sink to the same level as Brady? He hasn't even been convicted of Keith Johnsons murder. The CPS refused to prosecute him for it. It's all very sad but the police have already spent enormous resources looking for the remains. Those resources are far better spent looking after the living rather than someone who was murdered 42 years ago.
It's way before my time but do we know for certain they were actually responsible for his disappearance? As the murder fitted the others, their stories agreed with each other after 20 years, and they both freely confessed to the murder of Keith Bennet and Pauline Read it is safe to assume they committed them - especially as they were able to locate Pauline Read's remains.
Smiler. said:
englisharcher said:
Zaxxon said:
RIP Winnie and Keith
I second this, may they RIPIf there's anything left resembling a conscience, I hope it puts an end to any remaining peace Brady may have.
Some years ago I read a book written by the police officer who headed up the reinvestigation of the case in the 1980's which succeeded in finding the remains of Pauline Reade but couldn't find those of Keith Bennett. At different times they took Brady and Hindley up to the moor to 'help' with the search. I seem to recall that some of the officers were of the opinion that either Keith's remains could have moved because peat bogs do that - they are not static - or that possibly there simply were no remains to be found (Although bodies have been found well preserved in peat bogs, mainly because of the high acidity, bone dissolves very readily.)
So even if that evil fker pointed out where he buried Keith, and assuming he even remembers, it might be no help at all. Personally, I think he has probably used it as a bargaining chip, and to take a perverse pleasure in tormenting Keith's family to the very end.
Brady wants to be allowed to starve himself to death. So I hope the authorities keep force feeding him as long as he continues to draw breath.
So even if that evil f
ker pointed out where he buried Keith, and assuming he even remembers, it might be no help at all. Personally, I think he has probably used it as a bargaining chip, and to take a perverse pleasure in tormenting Keith's family to the very end. Brady wants to be allowed to starve himself to death. So I hope the authorities keep force feeding him as long as he continues to draw breath.
longshot said:
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Endless foreign aid, nuclear missile, inefficient Government etc and we can't spend a bit of money and time finding just 1 boy.
Do you have even the remotest comprehension of what it might take to find a child's remains where they put them 40+ years ago?Endless foreign aid, nuclear missile, inefficient Government etc and we can't spend a bit of money and time finding just 1 boy.
The timing of the arrest of the visitor and Mrs Johnson's death just goes to show what a b
h life is at times 
I'm an advocate of the death penalty when there is zero doubt in a heinous crime. But for this piece of low life I'd happily make an exception and ensure he stayed alive as long as possible in the grimmest way.
Noting we're not a third world nation is all well and good. But sometimes I'm not convinced we are necessarily "superior". In being "civilised", we often seem to pay less attention to the victims' "rights" than we do the criminal's. And that seems neither civilised nor "right" to me.
Murph7355 said:
Do you have even the remotest comprehension of what it might take to find a child's remains where they put them 40+ years ago?
The timing of the arrest of the visitor and Mrs Johnson's death just goes to show what a bh life is at times
I'm an advocate of the death penalty when there is zero doubt in a heinous crime. But for this piece of low life I'd happily make an exception and ensure he stayed alive as long as possible in the grimmest way.
Noting we're not a third world nation is all well and good. But sometimes I'm not convinced we are necessarily "superior". In being "civilised", we often seem to pay less attention to the victims' "rights" than we do the criminal's. And that seems neither civilised nor "right" to me.
Yes I do but the question I would ask everyone is, if it was your child and behind your house was a 1000 acre farm and your child was buried somewhere on it, would you want them found or left because of the time and expense?The timing of the arrest of the visitor and Mrs Johnson's death just goes to show what a b
h life is at times I'm an advocate of the death penalty when there is zero doubt in a heinous crime. But for this piece of low life I'd happily make an exception and ensure he stayed alive as long as possible in the grimmest way.
Noting we're not a third world nation is all well and good. But sometimes I'm not convinced we are necessarily "superior". In being "civilised", we often seem to pay less attention to the victims' "rights" than we do the criminal's. And that seems neither civilised nor "right" to me.
I know moors land isn't like farmland but nevertheless, it could be done and I find it very likely that there would be a long queue of volunteers eager to help too.
I personally can't get past the fact that it is tragic and shameful that we don't even try.
She's as much a victim of Brady and Hindley. Her whole life was ruined by the murder of her son.
It's a shame she couldn't move on. Not her fault of course, and in no way taking the blame from the most evil of couples.
When at an airport I went to talks by those who were the NoK of victims of aircrashes and in one case a survivor, one of the few. Such trauma modified their lives, to the extent of a divorce. They dedicate their lives to spreading the word, even after everyone has heard or read about it.
It really is sad.
One person told us how it felt to be patronised by the police - and other agencies, but mainly the police - after aircrashes and other major incidents and she broke her heart telling us how she felt being banned from the scene in case it upset her. Yet some weeks earlier we'd had a lecture on how to treat NoK and survivors which not only took her point of view into account but had moved on further. It seemed pointless to put her through the agony of remembering it all again but I spoke to the organiser and he said she had asked to and he felt he had to agree given the way she had been treated, but oh so many years ago.
Whilst the feelings of victim/survivor/NoK are heard at courts, the maximum penalty cannot be increased so it is, in most cases, a PR exercise.
Brady has shown himself to enjoy torturing people and manipulating them. I think there is little doubt that he was doing exactly the same with Winnie, another Moors victim. I reckon he enjoys being fussed over with regards his refusal to eat.
It's a shame she couldn't move on. Not her fault of course, and in no way taking the blame from the most evil of couples.
When at an airport I went to talks by those who were the NoK of victims of aircrashes and in one case a survivor, one of the few. Such trauma modified their lives, to the extent of a divorce. They dedicate their lives to spreading the word, even after everyone has heard or read about it.
It really is sad.
One person told us how it felt to be patronised by the police - and other agencies, but mainly the police - after aircrashes and other major incidents and she broke her heart telling us how she felt being banned from the scene in case it upset her. Yet some weeks earlier we'd had a lecture on how to treat NoK and survivors which not only took her point of view into account but had moved on further. It seemed pointless to put her through the agony of remembering it all again but I spoke to the organiser and he said she had asked to and he felt he had to agree given the way she had been treated, but oh so many years ago.
Whilst the feelings of victim/survivor/NoK are heard at courts, the maximum penalty cannot be increased so it is, in most cases, a PR exercise.
Brady has shown himself to enjoy torturing people and manipulating them. I think there is little doubt that he was doing exactly the same with Winnie, another Moors victim. I reckon he enjoys being fussed over with regards his refusal to eat.
TheD said:
..... It is scum like him that makes me think that sometimes slow death as a punishment merits thought....
It doesn't just merit thought.....it is actually happening.As Murph notes, he is being forced fed instead of being allowed to starve to death as he wants.
Life to him is a slow and painful death.
longshot said:
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I know moors land isn't like farmland ...
Understatement of the year.I know moors land isn't like farmland ...
If you apply infinite people with infinite time to any problem it can be solved. Two slight problems with that though.
Which does not detract from how tragic the situation is. Brady and Hindley really were nasty pieces of work, and infinite pain inflicted upon them would not be enough (if that makes me uncivilised, so be it).
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