Review of Road Tax ongoing.
Discussion
pmanson said:
More than likely but it will be a quick death once many millions have been spent of pointless "consultations" that fail to point out the bleeding obvious
Well a quick survey of my drive to work along the A90 brings 43 possible places to join or leave the dual carriageway .So for it to work you would need 2 cameras per junction so thats 86 cameras at least
And my journey to work is about 20 miles so roughly a camera every 1/4 of a mile
And we have how many miles of dual carriageway in the UK
Bonkers idea and completely impractical to anyone who spends more then an hour looking into it.
Sadly they will spend millions coming up with the same conclusion
thinfourth2 said:
pmanson said:
More than likely but it will be a quick death once many millions have been spent of pointless "consultations" that fail to point out the bleeding obvious
Well a quick survey of my drive to work along the A90 brings 43 possible places to join or leave the dual carriageway .So for it to work you would need 2 cameras per junction so thats 86 cameras at least
And my journey to work is about 20 miles so roughly a camera every 1/4 of a mile
And we have how many miles of dual carriageway in the UK
Bonkers idea and completely impractical to anyone who spends more then an hour looking into it.
Sadly they will spend millions coming up with the same conclusion
These costs will then get passed over to our customers through higher prices for our services.
What gets me is that they know they can't do road pricing as the camera infrastructure required would be massive - surely this is the same thing but with a different name?
Benny Saltstein said:
The Aussi "rego" includes 3rd party insurance. Would probably save more money than it would cost processing uninsured drivers and persuing prosecutions.
2 tier road tax relying on ANPR sounds very expensive.
Rego is very expensive in Australia. I just paid $712 for our little Hyundai i20 that we keep out there. That works out at around £480, I then have to pay another $400 (£250) on top of that for the Comprehensive element. In total it costs me less to insure and tax 2 similar cars over here!!2 tier road tax relying on ANPR sounds very expensive.
pmanson said:
I do a lot of business miles - I can currently claim back the cost of road tolls and suspect that i'll be able to claim back these charges (should they ever come in to existence) as it will be cheaper to have me mobile rather than sat in traffic.
These costs will then get passed over to our customers through higher prices for our services.
What gets me is that they know they can't do road pricing as the camera infrastructure required would be massive - surely this is the same thing but with a different name?
I reckon that someone in the civil service is desperate to find reasons to build a country-wide camera network to track everyone. Or indeed to push the Gallileo GPS project. Every year or so they come up with one of these schemes, I don't believe it's co-incidental.These costs will then get passed over to our customers through higher prices for our services.
What gets me is that they know they can't do road pricing as the camera infrastructure required would be massive - surely this is the same thing but with a different name?
FiF said:
Especially as the reason for the review is that they are seeing revenues decrease due to people switching to lower emission vehicles and thus they need to find the money from somewhere.
So lots of people ran out and bought low emission vehicle to avoid/reduce their tax so the govenment want to take it another way. Those people will be pleased 
Cotty said:
FiF said:
Especially as the reason for the review is that they are seeing revenues decrease due to people switching to lower emission vehicles and thus they need to find the money from somewhere.
So lots of people ran out and bought low emission vehicle to avoid/reduce their tax so the govenment want to take it another way. Those people will be pleased Us "OK"
Them "Ah, we don't like it when you really do play by our rules, so we will alter the rules. NOW play by our rules."
Us at the ballot box "Get out!"
Them being a New lot "Play by our rules or else!"
Us "Your rules look very much like their rules!"
Them "We said play by our rules or else."
Us "Lizards with different coloured ties and as stupid and devious and greedy and self serving as the other lot."
rs1952 said:
Just think of the number of motorways that are effectively used as bypasses for major towns and cities, and/or means of getting from one part of a town or city faster than would be the case on ordinary roads. Examples can be found all over the country but some that spring immediately to mind are:
1. All of the M25
2. The M4 past Reading and Swindon
3. The M5, M6 and M54 around Brum and Wolverhampton
4. The M4, M5 and M32 around Bristol.
5. The M27 and M3 around Southampton, Winchester and Pompey
I'll hazard a guess that large numbers of people using these sections of motorway are just on them for a junction or two.
Now just imagine what would happen to local roads if, to avoid paying the higher road tax, they stopped using the motorways and used those instead...
Methinks that this one will die a quick death once the practicalities have been pointed out to the idiots who thought it up
In France, it isn't unusual for a tolled autoroute to be 'free' where it bypasses or crosses a city; Toulouse and Strasbourg are two examples I can think of off the top of my head.1. All of the M25
2. The M4 past Reading and Swindon
3. The M5, M6 and M54 around Brum and Wolverhampton
4. The M4, M5 and M32 around Bristol.
5. The M27 and M3 around Southampton, Winchester and Pompey
I'll hazard a guess that large numbers of people using these sections of motorway are just on them for a junction or two.
Now just imagine what would happen to local roads if, to avoid paying the higher road tax, they stopped using the motorways and used those instead...
Methinks that this one will die a quick death once the practicalities have been pointed out to the idiots who thought it up
There's usually a fast and reasonable quality alternative to a tolled autoroute (as well as the 'touring' alternatives if one has time), whereas in city regions there often isn't a practicable timely option which I guess is why the French have decided that the tolls will stop at one side and start again at the other side of the city; I seem to recall that if there is no fast alternative then there won't be a toll (the Limoges-Toulouse autoroute springs to mind here, for some reason, and the Boulogne-Calais autoroute was toll-free in 2005 with tolls charged on the autoroute either side of this section).
I'm not saying this is a good thing, just that there are alternatives to blanket tolling of motorways. I'm actually inclined to say it's a bad thing for the UK, because its traffic and population densities are so unevenly spread compared to France plus there aren't many practical non-Motorway alternatives compared to France...
Riley Blue said:
"Road users would pay less under a privatised road network than they do now..."
Oh really?
Isn't that what they said about the railways. Is that way the German railways are great and we end up with no investment (Arriva) .Yep great privatize it let some foreign company buy the roads take all the profit to invest back in the own country. Sorry don't agree with privatisation of any thing like this. Oh really?
hollydog said:
Isn't that what they said about the railways. Is that way the German railways are great and we end up with no investment (Arriva) .Yep great privatize it let some foreign company buy the roads take all the profit to invest back in the own country. Sorry don't agree with privatisation of any thing like this.
I had a little 
at this. Arriva are owned by Deutche Bahn!!Back on topic - up here, the completion of the M74 has taken a lot of traffic off urban roads around Glasgow - if the M8/74/77/80 get taxed as motorways under this scheme it's going to cause chaos on the surface roads, some of which were downgraded & made more cyclist/bus/parking friendly after being bypassed by the new motorway sections.
thinfourth2 said:
BlueMR2 said:
It probably would be cheaper for a while, after a couple of years you'd be praying for "roads" as good as a 3rd world country.
Woo HoooUpgrade
.Some of the roads round here are ridiculous and don't get me started on speed bumps, speed dips are pretty common as well.
BlueMR2 said:
Einion Yrth said:
BlueMR2 said:
after a couple of years you'd be praying for "roads" as good as a 3rd world country.
I live in Sheffield, I pray for that now.I was quite shocked recently in Sheffield, drove down Solly St and
they've resurfaced it!!. WTF I suspect overseas students from Beirut had complained.
V88Dicky said:
Let's just go back about 20 years and charge everyone a flat rate for VED.
Once they started with different bands, it was only ever going to end in tears.
I have strong feelings in me water (yes matron, still taking the pills) that this is the best way around it all.Once they started with different bands, it was only ever going to end in tears.
I don't expect it will happen.
Charging minimal duty/tax for driving cars was bound to cause revenue to fall eventually...
Who'd a thought it?
'xcept us.
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