US school shooting

[Gene Vincent]

im said:

Nobody is blaming the gun. Its the access to them that is to blame. Americans nutters also seem to have a predeliction for killing kids at school unlike nutters in any other country.

Dunblane?

[im]

Gene Vincent said:

im said:

Nobody is blaming the gun. Its the access to them that is to blame. Americans nutters also seem to have a predeliction for killing kids at school unlike nutters in any other country.

Dunblane?

The exception that proves the rule.

[croyde]

Not again.

I drove past Dunblane last week. I'm not from round there but at least once a week I still think of what happened whenever I see my 6 year old laughing with his mates in the school playground.

[rohrl]

Gene Vincent said:

Dunblane?

One incident. There was also a machete attack at a UK school a few years ago.

Now compare with the number of school/college shootings in the USA and even accounting for a population five or six times that of the UK and they are a country mile ahead of us. There really is no equivalence and to pretend that easy access to firearms isn't a major part of it is just wilful blindness.

[croyde]

Jeez! I feel sick.

[im]

rohrl said:

Gene Vincent said:

Dunblane?

One incident. There was also a machete attack at a UK school a few years ago.

Now compare with the number of school/college shootings in the USA and even accounting for a population five or six times that of the UK and they are a country mile ahead of us. There really is no equivalence and to pretend that easy access to firearms isn't a major part of it is just wilful blindness.

Or compare Europes greater population and the US.

[JensenA]

vescaegg said:

130R said:

vescaegg said:

America is no better than so called 'uncivilised' societies as far as I'm concerned.

Ohh sorry I forgot its 'their right' to have fking guns.

Cold. How do you know the parents of the children killed weren't gun-control advocates? Also there are plenty of other countries where people have easy access to firearms that don't seem to have these issues. It's easy to blame an inanimate object.

Im not blaming an inanimate object, im blaming the rules of a society which allows anyone to buy and carry round an inanimate object which is in fact, an object which can cause untold death and destruction to a great many people.

You mean a bit like man who drove a around a town in the UK, mounting pavements and deliberately running people over and killing them, in his inanimate object, a van? I trust you are actively involved in pressing the UK govt to take away our rights to own these 'objects' in which we are all allowed to drive around in. In fact I hope you don't drive a car, that would be very hypocritical.

[longshot]

Tragic.

You'd think that if this happened once a debate would be had on gun control but it has happened so many times now.

I can visualise the NRA nutbags stockpiling every time this happens just in case the nation sees sense.
It would take decades to implement but they really need to try.

As siad, how anyone could shoot a little kid is beyond me.

[Mojocvh]

im said:

As I said, sorry for appearing uncaring but you can't help those who wont help themselves.

If there were no "guns" what else do you think these individuals would use?? Home made explosives and truck bombs???

Banning guns won't stop these individuals, they'll just not own them lawfully.

[davepoth]

I wonder whether it's bumped up Obama's list now. I bloody well hope so.

[im]

JensenA said:

vescaegg said:

130R said:

vescaegg said:

America is no better than so called 'uncivilised' societies as far as I'm concerned.

Ohh sorry I forgot its 'their right' to have fking guns.

Cold. How do you know the parents of the children killed weren't gun-control advocates? Also there are plenty of other countries where people have easy access to firearms that don't seem to have these issues. It's easy to blame an inanimate object.

Im not blaming an inanimate object, im blaming the rules of a society which allows anyone to buy and carry round an inanimate object which is in fact, an object which can cause untold death and destruction to a great many people.

You mean a bit like man who drove a around a town in the UK, mounting pavements and deliberately running people over and killing them, in his inanimate object, a van? I trust you are actively involved in pressing the UK govt to take away our rights to own these 'objects' in which we are all allowed to drive around in. In fact I hope you don't drive a car, that would be very hypocritical.

Yeah, but lets compare like with like eh? Car related murders will happen in the US as well but shootings wont usually happen over here.

Oh and a cars primary purpose is not to be used as a weapon.

[im]

Mojocvh said:

im said:

As I said, sorry for appearing uncaring but you can't help those who wont help themselves.

If there were no "guns" what else do you think these individuals would use?? Home made explosives and truck bombs???

Banning guns won't stop these individuals, they'll just not own them lawfully.

Explain why this doesn't happen in Europe where there is gun control.

[vescaegg]

JensenA said:

vescaegg said:

130R said:

vescaegg said:

America is no better than so called 'uncivilised' societies as far as I'm concerned.

Ohh sorry I forgot its 'their right' to have fking guns.

Cold. How do you know the parents of the children killed weren't gun-control advocates? Also there are plenty of other countries where people have easy access to firearms that don't seem to have these issues. It's easy to blame an inanimate object.

Im not blaming an inanimate object, im blaming the rules of a society which allows anyone to buy and carry round an inanimate object which is in fact, an object which can cause untold death and destruction to a great many people.

You mean a bit like man who drove a around a town in the UK, mounting pavements and deliberately running people over and killing them, in his inanimate object, a van? I trust you are actively involved in pressing the UK govt to take away our rights to own these 'objects' in which we are all allowed to drive around in. In fact I hope you don't drive a car, that would be very hypocritical.

Kids finished for Christmas holidays already?

Dont be such a idiot. Jesus some people will argue over anything wont they! My point was that these mass shootings happen all the fking time in the US. A gun's sole purpose is to kill things. A Van's is not.

Why dont you explain without using retarded examples why there isnt multiple shootings in Europe each year where there is tight gun control?

[Mojocvh]

im said:

JensenA said:

vescaegg said:

130R said:

vescaegg said:

America is no better than so called 'uncivilised' societies as far as I'm concerned.

Ohh sorry I forgot its 'their right' to have fking guns.

Cold. How do you know the parents of the children killed weren't gun-control advocates? Also there are plenty of other countries where people have easy access to firearms that don't seem to have these issues. It's easy to blame an inanimate object.

Im not blaming an inanimate object, im blaming the rules of a society which allows anyone to buy and carry round an inanimate object which is in fact, an object which can cause untold death and destruction to a great many people.

You mean a bit like man who drove a around a town in the UK, mounting pavements and deliberately running people over and killing them, in his inanimate object, a van? I trust you are actively involved in pressing the UK govt to take away our rights to own these 'objects' in which we are all allowed to drive around in. In fact I hope you don't drive a car, that would be very hypocritical.

Yeah, but lets compare like with like eh? Car related murders will happen in the US as well but shootings wont usually happen over here.

Oh and a cars primary purpose is not to be used as a weapon.

<hampsterwheel>

[Mojocvh]

im said:

Mojocvh said:

im said:

As I said, sorry for appearing uncaring but you can't help those who wont help themselves.

If there were no "guns" what else do you think these individuals would use?? Home made explosives and truck bombs???

Banning guns won't stop these individuals, they'll just not own them lawfully.

Explain why this doesn't happen in Europe where there is gun control.

Really, my, what a short memory you have.

Now, where's the Ignore function......

[croyde]

As an aside isn't it something to do with the American Psyche. They have loads of guns in Canada but they don't shoot each other all the time as do the Swiss who have gun ownership yet rarely do they kill each other.

Yes there are other ways to kill but non as easy as just pulling a trigger.

[im]

Mojocvh said:

im said:

Mojocvh said:

im said:

As I said, sorry for appearing uncaring but you can't help those who wont help themselves.

If there were no "guns" what else do you think these individuals would use?? Home made explosives and truck bombs???

Banning guns won't stop these individuals, they'll just not own them lawfully.

Explain why this doesn't happen in Europe where there is gun control.

Really, my, what a short memory you have.

Now, where's the Ignore function......

Oooooo thats 2 you can point to in the last 30 years...Where to begin with the US stats?

[Jasandjules]

Tragic.

[EDLT]

croyde said:

As an aside isn't it something to do with the American Psyche. They have loads of guns in Canada but they don't shoot each other all the time as do the Swiss who have gun ownership yet rarely do they kill each other.

Yes there are other ways to kill but non as easy as just pulling a trigger.

Canada has more guns that Europe, but I think they still have stricter gun control than the US.

This is a tragic event, now bring on fifty pages of THAT old argument.

[Nom de ploom]

this is just happening just way too often.

tragic.