Jobless man refuses to get up at 8am

Jobless man refuses to get up at 8am

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blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

238 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Sargeant Orange said:
blindswelledrat said:
I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.
Quite right. However while the amount of benefits they can receive is similar to the pay available in these jobs then the freeloaders will always choose the sit-on-their-arse option
Its true. Although Im not sure I completely blame them. I think the system is more at fault than it's abusers. As soon as society have allowed a swathe of people to see benefits as a "right" as opposed to emergency help, then it seems almost inevitable. The thought of getting up on a cold winter morning to go and do labouring to effectively earn zero would be hugely difficult to motivate yourself for.

MocMocaMoc

1,524 posts

147 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Phil1 said:
MocMocaMoc said:
I think his agrument is more against sensationalist 'news' stories giving a false impression of the actual situation, a la Daily Mail. Yes these people exist, and yes they're scum and need dealing with, but if your average London Banker only pay attention to only these type of broadcast, then go on to discuss 'the scum' over cocktails and cocaine, their impression will be that ALL people on benefits are of a similar, work-shy, disposition. Which is clearly not the case.
You think stories should be blocked in case people form their own opinions! You're worried people might form sweepingly generalized opinions, then post such a broad sweeping slur as bankers discussing the news over cocktails and cocaine!
Haha, well spotted.

I suggest such extreme examples are of no use to anyone where proper debate is the aim. One story of one ar*ehole dodging work is not representative of the whole situation, yet it'll be jumped on as such. And that's equally retarded as suggesting all bankers love cocktails and cocaine.

I dont expect stories to be blocked, I expect journalism to be fair and balanced. This is not a fair and balanced view of the situation as a whole. Of course this 'story' wasnt really intended as anything, just an unfortunate case given radio time, but people often jump on stories similar to this.

Stand around a bar for more than 10 minutes and you'll hear such awful sweeping generalisations spouted by the p*ssed up, less than educated underclass.

Heh, there I go again...

joe_90

4,206 posts

237 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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anonymous said:
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what size dogs are they, the kids are only small... but thats not a flat out no.. (like the bloke on the radio)

Digga

41,125 posts

289 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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anonymous said:
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They're probably big enough for the kids to ride, pony style, TBH. No liability accepted etc. etc.

MX7

7,902 posts

180 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Driller said:
That call is a wind up.
This.

LBC is the radio equivalent of the Daily Mail, and JH-B is a moron, just like most of the other presenters.

airportparking

1,314 posts

168 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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LBC is truly turning into the daily mail / sun of radio

Jasandjules

70,474 posts

235 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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I suppose the question is how much does he get on benefits vs how much for working? If he gets more for watching TV/surfing the web all day then chances are he is not going to want to lose that and go out to work for less money. The issue lies mainly with the amount of benefits paid, though self esteem and pride would I thought motivate someone to go out to work. But I know an old friend of mine could make far more money on the Dole than he could by working..

Aids

206 posts

173 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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This really get my urine boiling! I have risen from bed between 0645-0730 every weekday since I started work since July 1980! What`s the problem with this cretin? Moreover my GF is a registered nurse and has to work 12 hour shifts at St Georges Hospital here in London.

furious

andymadmak

14,845 posts

276 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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airportparking said:
LBC is truly turning into the daily mail / sun of radio
I'm not sure that shooting the messenger is the right response

TameRacingDriver

18,405 posts

278 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Give him a break. Jeremey Kyle doesn't start until 9:30am. biggrin

crankedup

25,764 posts

249 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Phil1 said:
crankedup said:
I'm speechless!this type of broadcast merely serves in the continued division within Society causing friction we could all do without. Plenty of people will be thinking all benefit recipients are like Paul, which obviously is not the case. What was the purpose of the broadcast, (or did it go out live).
I'm amazed. A useless waste of space, cheating on benefits by doing cash in hand jobs and refusing work. Yet what you care about is muzzling the media in case people realise there are free-loaders like this out there. If it was never aired then people would start claiming there are no benefit recipients like this.
You jump to a hasty conclusion regarding my post, a conclusion which is wrong. You state the most obvious with your top line rant, its what 99.9% of posters will agree with which is why I haven't bothered in my post. You then take issue with the fact that I question the value of public airing of this type of red top radio nonsense.
It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. It is for the correct authorities to administrate benefits systems. It is this type of broadcast that is, IMO, misleading the public. Do any of us know about 'Paul'? Do we know if he has mental issues? Do we know if the whole story is a 'wind-up? A nd you have the brass neck to have a pop at me! Give the issue some thought perhaps.

crankedup

25,764 posts

249 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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blindswelledrat said:
crankedup said:
Plenty of people will be thinking all benefit recipients are like Paul, which
obviously is not the case. What was the purpose of the broadcast, (or did it go out live).
In a round about way I think ALL benefits claimants are like Paul. Certainly applicable in the South East.
I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.
Well if you say so it must be the case. rolleyes

andymadmak

14,845 posts

276 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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crankedup said:
You jump to a hasty conclusion regarding my post, a conclusion which is wrong. You state the most obvious with your top line rant, its what 99.9% of posters will agree with which is why I haven't bothered in my post. You then take issue with the fact that I question the value of public airing of this type of red top radio nonsense.
It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. It is for the correct authorities to administrate benefits systems. It is this type of broadcast that is, IMO, misleading the public. Do any of us know about 'Paul'? Do we know if he has mental issues? Do we know if the whole story is a 'wind-up? A nd you have the brass neck to have a pop at me! Give the issue some thought perhaps.
Whilst I agree with you mostly on this Cranky, I am a little uncomfortable nonetheless. When we get people on radio/TV claiming to be homeless/destitute/badly affected by Government cuts etc I don't see may on the left saying "It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL." I just see lots of people saying " See, look what the evil baby eating Tories have done" (or such like hehe )
I've no idea whether Paul is genuine or not. We can only take things at face value. I am convinced he does not represent the majority of unemployed people. But equally I am convinced that he does represent too many unemployed people. And the uncomfortable truth is that, if we are really honest, we know there is every chance that Paul is genuine..

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

210 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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andymadmak said:
airportparking said:
LBC is truly turning into the daily mail / sun of radio
I'm not sure that shooting the messenger is the right response
Depends if the messenger made it all up

Oakey

27,782 posts

222 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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blindswelledrat said:
In a round about way I think ALL benefits claimants are like Paul. Certainly applicable in the South East.
I honestly believe that any unemployed person could get casual low-paid work. Anybody who doesnt work chooses not to.
I think the problem with low paid work is it just isn't worth it. I saw a job advertised recently for a cleaner at DW Sports. 6am start. 10 hours a week, minimum wage.

Pointless.

andymadmak

14,845 posts

276 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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thinfourth2 said:
andymadmak said:
airportparking said:
LBC is truly turning into the daily mail / sun of radio
I'm not sure that shooting the messenger is the right response
Depends if the messenger made it all up
You think its possible LBC made it all up?


crankedup

25,764 posts

249 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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andymadmak said:
crankedup said:
You jump to a hasty conclusion regarding my post, a conclusion which is wrong. You state the most obvious with your top line rant, its what 99.9% of posters will agree with which is why I haven't bothered in my post. You then take issue with the fact that I question the value of public airing of this type of red top radio nonsense.
It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. It is for the correct authorities to administrate benefits systems. It is this type of broadcast that is, IMO, misleading the public. Do any of us know about 'Paul'? Do we know if he has mental issues? Do we know if the whole story is a 'wind-up? A nd you have the brass neck to have a pop at me! Give the issue some thought perhaps.
Whilst I agree with you mostly on this Cranky, I am a little uncomfortable nonetheless. When we get people on radio/TV claiming to be homeless/destitute/badly affected by Government cuts etc I don't see may on the left saying "It is NOT FOR THE MEDIA to decide right and wrong in benefits issues ON A PERSONAL LEVEL." I just see lots of people saying " See, look what the evil baby eating Tories have done" (or such like hehe )
I've no idea whether Paul is genuine or not. We can only take things at face value. I am convinced he does not represent the majority of unemployed people. But equally I am convinced that he does represent too many unemployed people. And the uncomfortable truth is that, if we are really honest, we know there is every chance that Paul is genuine..
I accept the point you make, however, (you knew that was coming;))it is the general vilification of those who accept benefits in general that really concerns me. Taking the debate wider, to hear Osbourne with his choice of language during his recent Autumn statement. This is a flagrant misuse of his position in determining the 'type' of person receiving benefits. It is a policy targeted to garner public support for the Government's focus on reducing benefits to claimants. The media are also inflaming an already divided concern on just how the Government Policy is being implemented. Needless to say I strongly disagree with this Governments propaganda tactics, picked up and used by the media, that's not to say that I completely disagree with the reigning in of benefits, it is a must do for any colour Party to adopt.
Getting back to the radio stations airing of 'Pauls POV', I am curious to know if any froth may have evolved within the local broadcast area.

0000

13,812 posts

197 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Oakey said:
I think the problem with low paid work is it just isn't worth it. I saw a job advertised recently for a cleaner at DW Sports. 6am start. 10 hours a week, minimum wage.

Pointless.
Sounds idea for someone looking for a second job around a 9-5 or a student.

From the comments:

Matt Wheeler said:
sorry but this call is a wind up, I don't believe this was a genuine caller. More likely someone planted by the tories so they can further victimise those out of work and on benefits. Do not fall for their tricks!
Ha.

Studio117

4,250 posts

197 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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It would be sad to say that all people on benefits are like this but most of them I've met are exactly that.

The work shy have become so used to this existsence that a significant drop in benefits won't lead to them going to work, we may even see an increase of petty crime and drug dealing.

The hand wringers won't ever cut the benefits, and the cycle will continue for many more generations.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

210 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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andymadmak said:
thinfourth2 said:
andymadmak said:
airportparking said:
LBC is truly turning into the daily mail / sun of radio
I'm not sure that shooting the messenger is the right response
Depends if the messenger made it all up
You think its possible LBC made it all up?
What get a fake caller in to get loads of press time thereby increasing their listener base and advertising revenue

scratchchin