All that is wrong with this country
Discussion
croyde said:
My kids go to a very nice, middle class primary where most will go on to private education yet even my youngest, at 7, says things like 'I'm reporting you to the police', 'That's abuse' and 'I'm calling Childline' whenever I give him a stern ticking off.
Who teaches them this stuff?
At least he hasn't threatened to sue you.Who teaches them this stuff?
Yet.
My 10 year old says he's going to sue me all the time. These are well brought up kids surrounded by love and I am as strict with them as my father was to me. Firm but fair yet they keep spouting all this 'uman rights b
ks 
It just worries me that if all the nice kids are saying this stuff it must be hell in Chav town. My sister-in-law teaches at a primary in a not well to do area and they constantly have the parents round complaining that so and so teacher dared to be stern with their little cherub.
ks It just worries me that if all the nice kids are saying this stuff it must be hell in Chav town. My sister-in-law teaches at a primary in a not well to do area and they constantly have the parents round complaining that so and so teacher dared to be stern with their little cherub.
Had I gone home and told my parents that I'd been removed from class and told to sit on my own in a classroom until I cooled off and was willing to rejoin the class and behave, my mother and father's immediate response would have been to bk me for misbehaving in the first place. Now it seems to the first response of some parents is to assume the school have it in for their child and to go to the press.
I was a schoolboy of the 70s where blackboard rubbers thrown at your head and the cane were the norm. This was patently wrong, but a formal time out - as advocated in 99% of parenting books and programmes, as they eschew violence but maintain discipline, is entirely appropriate IMO.
If the parents don't like how the school teach their kids, they should either find another school or home parent the little scrotes until HMP takes over.
k me for misbehaving in the first place. Now it seems to the first response of some parents is to assume the school have it in for their child and to go to the press.I was a schoolboy of the 70s where blackboard rubbers thrown at your head and the cane were the norm. This was patently wrong, but a formal time out - as advocated in 99% of parenting books and programmes, as they eschew violence but maintain discipline, is entirely appropriate IMO.
If the parents don't like how the school teach their kids, they should either find another school or home parent the little scrotes until HMP takes over.
Rude-boy said:
Possibly, but then she isn't always right either.
As usual the true solution is somewhere between the 'fluffy bunnie hugs for the poor bullywoolies' and 'kick the living st out of them' camps.
Yes it is and actually she is a pretty good judge and nearly always right, unlike singlecoil who just talks rubbish.As usual the true solution is somewhere between the 'fluffy bunnie hugs for the poor bullywoolies' and 'kick the living s
t out of them' camps.Ozzie Osmond said:
singlecoil said:
A few strokes of the cane will quickly sort out most 'disorders'.
That's about as daft as turning up in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya and thinking the locals will get to like you so long as you keep killing them...
I think you picked some poor examples there, it's the locals there that do the killing,mostly each other (easier targets) but they will kill peacekeepers when they can.But my point was actually quite serious, though not actually saying it has to be the cane. In Ireland they used 'leathers', about a foot long and a couple of inches wide, much more suitable because they can be carried around with one.
rhinochopig said:
Had I gone home and told my parents that I'd been removed from class and told to sit on my own in a classroom until I cooled off and was willing to rejoin the class and behave, my mother and father's immediate response would have been to bk me for misbehaving in the first place. Now it seems to the first response of some parents is to assume the school have it in for their child and to go to the press.
I was a schoolboy of the 70s where blackboard rubbers thrown at your head and the cane were the norm. This was patently wrong, but a formal time out - as advocated in 99% of parenting books and programmes, as they eschew violence but maintain discipline, is entirely appropriate IMO.
If the parents don't like how the school teach their kids, they should either find another school or home parent the little scrotes until HMP takes over.
Same here, I was in school when corporal punishment was still allowed, but no matter what punishment the teachers dished out what stopped me getting into trouble was how my parents would react. Being put into isolation at school wouldn't have bothered me - my Dad's reaction definitely would.k me for misbehaving in the first place. Now it seems to the first response of some parents is to assume the school have it in for their child and to go to the press.I was a schoolboy of the 70s where blackboard rubbers thrown at your head and the cane were the norm. This was patently wrong, but a formal time out - as advocated in 99% of parenting books and programmes, as they eschew violence but maintain discipline, is entirely appropriate IMO.
If the parents don't like how the school teach their kids, they should either find another school or home parent the little scrotes until HMP takes over.
The quotes from the parents in the article just underline that the failure is theirs and theirs alone.
Dixie68 said:
Same here, I was in school when corporal punishment was still allowed, but no matter what punishment the teachers dished out what stopped me getting into trouble was how my parents would react. Being put into isolation at school wouldn't have bothered me - my Dad's reaction definitely would.
The quotes from the parents in the article just underline that the failure is theirs and theirs alone.
The quotes from the parents in the article just underline that the failure is theirs and theirs alone.
This is the crux of the matter. As long as the parents take the kid's side against the school, then there is not going to be any progress. Later on it will be the parent taking the kid's side against the police.
Colonial said:
singlecoil said:
One of the things about living in a society is that one should have to adapt to doing so. Society shouldn't have to adapt to you.
A few strokes of the cane will quickly sort out most 'disorders'.
Out of interest, where do you stand on Sharia law? A few strokes of the cane will quickly sort out most 'disorders'.
Dixie68 said:
Same here, I was in school when corporal punishment was still allowed, but no matter what punishment the teachers dished out what stopped me getting into trouble was how my parents would react. Being put into isolation at school wouldn't have bothered me - my Dad's reaction definitely would.
The quotes from the parents in the article just underline that the failure is theirs and theirs alone.
They are certainly failing their child but there are 2 other things missing here. One the community element which in the past got in behind and supported the school which employed dedicated teachers striving to give the community a better education, therefore anyone kicking against the school would be outside the community. Two, the standard of the authorities was such that they were respected by most if not all individuals. Now we have no comminities as such, thanks to Thatcher mostly, and we have no respect for authorities because they consist of vermin mostly with their snouts in the trough from the very top (air miles andy) to the very bottom Councillor brown envelope.The quotes from the parents in the article just underline that the failure is theirs and theirs alone.
Colonial said:
singlecoil said:
I'm not familiar with it, but I suspect I wouldn't stand anywhere near it.
A bit of beating for minor infringements. I think you share at least the same postcode. Colonial said:
A bit of beating for minor infringements. I think you share at least the same postcode.
There is however a World of difference between a short, sharp, physical manefestation of rebuke that 'smarts' for a minute or two but reinforces the point and 100 lashes for sex before marriage because someone raped you.vodkalolly said:
They are certainly failing their child but there are 2 other things missing here. One the community element which in the past got in behind and supported the school which employed dedicated teachers striving to give the community a better education, therefore anyone kicking against the school would be outside the community. Two, the standard of the authorities was such that they were respected by most if not all individuals. Now we have no comminities as such, thanks to Thatcher mostly, and we have no respect for authorities because they consist of vermin mostly with their snouts in the trough from the very top (air miles andy) to the very bottom Councillor brown envelope.
I agree with that except for the 'Thatcher' part - the decline in respect for authority (in my opinion) was created by the red ties, not the blue.Rude-boy said:
Colonial said:
A bit of beating for minor infringements. I think you share at least the same postcode.
There is however a World of difference between a short, sharp, physical manefestation of rebuke that 'smarts' for a minute or two but reinforces the point and 100 lashes for sex before marriage because someone raped you.Dixie68 said:
To turn it around then, Colonial, where do you stand on parents disciplining their children?
Depends on what you mean by disciplining. Beatings don't tend to get good results. I got severe talking too. The worst thing I have done is speeding.
There is a line between discipline and violence as the last refuge of those intellectually unable to discipline through other means.
Dixie68 said:
I agree with that except for the 'Thatcher' part - the decline in respect for authority (in my opinion) was created by the red ties, not the blue.
Well OK I think we would probably agree it was both if we unpicked it over a beer. Thatcher certainly taught us to be more intrespective and selfish and the Loony Left (labour and libdum) installed the authority figures who are not respectable.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff