RN Technician Barred from Wearing Fatigues on Virgin Flight

[Muntu]

zuby84 said:

I pop by over to these forums every so often, but I am constantly astounded at how much some posters on here always have to have a cheeky wee dig at muslims. Simmering racists are we?

And what race are moslems then?



I don't think anybody mentioned moslems before you did - are you paranoid much?

[Getragdogleg]

zuby84 said:

I pop by over to these forums every so often, but I am constantly astounded at how much some posters on here always have to have a cheeky wee dig at muslims. Simmering racists are we?

I haven't had a "cheeky wee dig" but I am bored, so I am going to answer anyway.

why be astounded ? Some people absolutely fking hate muslims, some people utterly hate christians, some people are full of love. Thats life.

Also, calling someone a dirty muslim is not racist, calling someone a dirty arab can be unless it is true, and they are arab and are dirty, then it's just words.

[bga]

Muntu said:

And what race are moslems then?



I don't think anybody mentioned moslems before you did - are you paranoid much?

You would have to be a moron to not get the insinuation.

eta that the G4S person who kicked off should have some attitude adjustment therapy courtesy of HM Forces.

Edited by bga on Saturday 9th March 13:31

[Getragdogleg]

bga said:

You would have to be a moron to not get the insinuation.

Ok, so for the sake of this discussion there was an insinuation, So what ?

Are we not allowed to comment that if the G4S guard was a paid up member of the big beard, prays a lot club we cannot speculate that he might have decided to cause some trouble for someone who he feels is against his beliefs ? That even the suggestion that any muslim could look at a British Soldier in uniform and want to disrupt their day is so far out man to be racist.

Get a grip, people are tts to each other, differences exist and do not need protecting, to protect muslims from suggestions like this is to say "muslims are better than everyone else and so you cant say bad things".

Muslims are not better than anyone else, no one is better than anyone else.

[audidoody]

zuby84 said:

I pop by over to these forums every so often, but I am constantly astounded at how much some posters on here always have to have a cheeky wee dig at muslims. Simmering racists are we?

How are things at LimpDem HQ?

[egor110]

Getragdogleg said:

Heading to the US, where being in a service uniform is a good thing, people say hi and respect is shown. No wonder she was in costume, besides, hey it is her job.

I do however think that G4S/flight manager's attititude to what she was wearing was wrong, she was not a threat to safety and as far as I am concerned it is acceptable dress to wear.

She wasn't working though, she was on a 12 hour flight to America then who knows how long the transfer would be.

Most normal people would want to blend in not stand out.

I live pretty much behind a marine camp and most of them change just to travel a mile or so to there married quarters.

[bga]

Getragdogleg said:

Ok, so for the sake of this discussion there was an insinuation, So what ?

Are we not allowed to comment that if the G4S guard was a paid up member of the big beard, prays a lot club we cannot speculate that he might have decided to cause some trouble for someone who he feels is against his beliefs ? That even the suggestion that any muslim could look at a British Soldier in uniform and want to disrupt their day is so far out man to be racist.

Get a grip, people are tts to each other, differences exist and do not need protecting, to protect muslims from suggestions like this is to say "muslims are better than everyone else and so you cant say bad things".

Muslims are not better than anyone else, no one is better than anyone else.

I agree.

One poster pussyfooted around it, another claimed that someone was reading into things as it hasn't been spelled out.

[Starfighter]

Getragdogleg said:

Heading to the US, where being in a service uniform is a good thing, people say hi and respect is shown. No wonder she was in costume, besides, hey it is her job.

I do however think that G4S/flight manager's attititude to what she was wearing was wrong, she was not a threat to safety and as far as I am concerned it is acceptable dress to wear.

US military are required to travel in uniform if going to / from a duty station. The US authorities and airport staff give preferences us personnel in uniform with most queues being jumped, priority boarding and the like. Wearing uniform would be an advantage on arrival in the US.

This was just wrong.

[Ari]

Victor McDade said:

Although being 'so distressed' and 'shaking with rage' seems a bit hyperbolic.

Surely she's trained to deal with tougher situations than this as part of her job.

It was in the Daily Mail and therefore highly unlikely to be her words or even remotely true.

I was in a bad car crash once, drunk went into the front wing just ahead of the front wheel, made a real mess of the car (write off, obviously).

Reporter turned up, I mentioned in passing that if we'd been six feet further up the road he'd have hit my door and then it could have been nasty.

In the paper "I" said:

IF THE CAR HAD COME THREE INCHES FURTHER INTO MINE I'D BE DEAD!!

Edited by Ari on Saturday 9th March 14:06

Edited by Ari on Saturday 9th March 14:07

[TheEnd]

Muntu said:

zuby84 said:

I pop by over to these forums every so often, but I am constantly astounded at how much some posters on here always have to have a cheeky wee dig at muslims. Simmering racists are we?

And what race are moslems then?



I don't think anybody mentioned moslems before you did - are you paranoid much?

He's right, no one mentioned muslims, but the third post insinuates it was some sort of Asian vendetta.
There's your rascism right there.

[Puggit]

TheEnd said:

Muntu said:

zuby84 said:

I pop by over to these forums every so often, but I am constantly astounded at how much some posters on here always have to have a cheeky wee dig at muslims. Simmering racists are we?

And what race are moslems then?



I don't think anybody mentioned moslems before you did - are you paranoid much?

He's right, no one mentioned muslims, but the third post insinuates it was some sort of Asian vendetta.
There's your rascism right there.

Racism, my arse - it's a post highlighting, in my view, a likely reason why this story happened.

[Dixie68]

egor110 said:

Getragdogleg said:

Heading to the US, where being in a service uniform is a good thing, people say hi and respect is shown. No wonder she was in costume, besides, hey it is her job.

I do however think that G4S/flight manager's attititude to what she was wearing was wrong, she was not a threat to safety and as far as I am concerned it is acceptable dress to wear.

She wasn't working though, she was on a 12 hour flight to America then who knows how long the transfer would be.

Most normal people would want to blend in not stand out.

I live pretty much behind a marine camp and most of them change just to travel a mile or so to there married quarters.

She was flying back to work, as such it is paid for by the MOD and is classed as Duty Travel, the keyword being "Duty", and as such IS work. She was fully entitled to wear uniform on the flight. Whenever I flew to the US when I was in the mob I always made sure I arrived in uniform as you are treated much better out there if they know you are in the military - free upgrades, taken to the front of queues etc. I'd travel in civvies and get changed at the destination airport though but it was a hassle as your carry-on baggage was just clothing, so I've got no problem with her wearing her kit for the flight.

[Jessicus]

Dixie68 said:

She was flying back to work, as such it is paid for by the MOD and is classed as Duty Travel, the keyword being "Duty", and as such IS work. She was fully entitled to wear uniform on the flight. Whenever I flew to the US when I was in the mob I always made sure I arrived in uniform as you are treated much better out there if they know you are in the military - free upgrades, taken to the front of queues etc. I'd travel in civvies and get changed at the destination airport though but it was a hassle as your carry-on baggage was just clothing, so I've got no problem with her wearing her kit for the flight.

When I had a US Military ID I made sure that it was visible on flights for this reason - you get excellent treatment in the US if you have a connection to the military. Oddly enough I always found exactly the opposite in the UK.

[Fat Fairy]

Jessicus said:

When I had a US Military ID I made sure that it was visible on flights for this reason - you get excellent treatment in the US if you have a connection to the military. Oddly enough I always found exactly the opposite in the UK.

If you dig, you'll find GB has always been closet anti-military (except for WW1 and 2, and the 'citizen armies'). Its a little depressing.

[Pesty]

Fat Fairy said:

Jessicus said:

When I had a US Military ID I made sure that it was visible on flights for this reason - you get excellent treatment in the US if you have a connection to the military. Oddly enough I always found exactly the opposite in the UK.

If you dig, you'll find GB has always been closet anti-military (except for WW1 and 2, and the 'citizen armies'). Its a little depressing.

I would not agree with that at all. Apart from a few far lefty types and people who identify more with other countries.

[Fat Fairy]

Pesty said:

I would not agree with that at all. Apart from a few far lefty types and people who identify more with other countries.

You're probably right. Maybe the 'lefties' have an inordinate amount of air time compared to normal people

[Dixie68]

Pesty said:

Fat Fairy said:

Jessicus said:

When I had a US Military ID I made sure that it was visible on flights for this reason - you get excellent treatment in the US if you have a connection to the military. Oddly enough I always found exactly the opposite in the UK.

If you dig, you'll find GB has always been closet anti-military (except for WW1 and 2, and the 'citizen armies'). Its a little depressing.

I would not agree with that at all. Apart from a few far lefty types and people who identify more with other countries.

I'd agree with FF to a degree - I've never been spat on in the US for wearing uniform whereas I have in the UK. That was a few years ago though and it did seem to get better but seems to be sliding back again. Some people can't differentiate between the politicians who send people to unpopular wars, and those sent to do the fighting.

[Pesty]

Dixie68 said:

I'd agree with FF to a degree - I've never been spat on in the US for wearing uniform whereas I have in the UK. That was a few years ago though and it did seem to get better but seems to be sliding back again. Some people can't differentiate between the politicians who send people to unpopular wars, and those sent to do the fighting.

Sorry to hear about that.

such a shame. I was looking at my great grandfathers gold pocket watch the other day with an inscription bought with gratitude for his service during WW1 by the miners at the pit he worked at IIRC.

how times change.

I have witnessed first hand the respect the armed forces get in the US these days. I think its partly to do with how poorley they were treated during the Vietnam war.

[egor110]

Pesty said:

Sorry to hear about that.

such a shame. I was looking at my great grandfathers gold pocket watch the other day with an inscription bought with gratitude for his service during WW1 by the miners at the pit he worked at IIRC.

how times change.

I have witnessed first hand the respect the armed forces get in the US these days. I think its partly to do with how poorley they were treated during the Vietnam war.

I guess with your grandad in the 1st world war and 2nd you had no choice, you were conscripted since then though it's a career choice you make, nobody is forced into the services.

[mph1977]

TheEnd said:

98elise said:

Odd story. When I was in the RN you could travel in uniform but it wouldn't be "fatigues". I don't know anyone that would choose to travel in uniform. You normally can wait to get it off and wear civi's.

That's the feeling I get from people in the military, it'd be like wearing your school uniform at the weekend.

Exactly

also for a long long time wearing Uniform on the UK mainland when you didn't have to was very much frowned upon that's the legacy of PIRA activities, however even in Garrisons towns or RAF Lincolnshire this has made service personnel less visible

given the subject of the story is a matelot surely she'd be travelling in blues if wearing rig to travel was the order of the day ...

it's also generally not custom and practice to travel in uniform when off duty for any uniformed organisation in the UK - even when travelling directly to or from a place of work ... in fact some employers ( especially the NHS ) explicitly forbid it and plod / trumpton seem to commute in 'half blues' - which for plod may have very good reason if PPE / airwave terminal / officer safety equipment are secured at the office in line with force policies ...