Was George Osborne right?
Discussion
MarshPhantom said:
Child benefit currently stands at £20 a week for the first child followed by £13 for each additional kid.
It's hardly a licence to print money.
Against that you need to look at the Housing benefits and all the other 32 benefits that are available and on offer to the greedy. Housing benefits alone to a couple with three children in London could easily be £2000 a month or more.It's hardly a licence to print money.
It is the overall cost that concerns observers who look at the whole of the problem. Always remember that Philpot and his covens were receiving in excess of £70,000 a year in benefits. That is much more than the three could have earned on the minimum wage which underlines the problem once again. George Osborne was right this does require proper investigation and deliberation.
Steffan said:
MarshPhantom said:
Child benefit currently stands at £20 a week for the first child followed by £13 for each additional kid.
It's hardly a licence to print money.
Against that you need to look at the Housing benefits and all the other 32 benefits that are available and on offer to the greedy. Housing benefits alone to a couple with three children in London could easily be £2000 a month or more.It's hardly a licence to print money.
It is the overall cost that concerns observers who look at the whole of the problem. Always remember that Philpot and his covens were receiving in excess of £70,000 a year in benefits. That is much more than the three could have earned on the minimum wage which underlines the problem once again. George Osborne was right this does require proper investigation and deliberation.
Back to the question in the OP, George Osborne was perfectly correct in what he said, yet Labour, once again have shown they have lost the plot.
Osborne went out of his way to say that Philpott was responsible for these appalling crimes and then posed a perfectly reasonable question concerning that a debate was required on people who have numerous chidren and refuse to work being sponsored by the State.
Osborne went out of his way to say that Philpott was responsible for these appalling crimes and then posed a perfectly reasonable question concerning that a debate was required on people who have numerous chidren and refuse to work being sponsored by the State.
G Osborne said:
"Philpott is responsible for these absolutely horrendous crimes and these are crimes that have shocked the nation. The courts are responsible for sentencing him. But I think there is a question for government and for society about the welfare state – and the taxpayers who pay for the welfare state – subsidising lifestyles like that, and I think that debate needs to be had."
Yet by the comments from Andy McDonald and Ed Balls, Labour shows once again that they have and will continue to expand their client base with benefit payments by effectively saying they see nothing wrong.Ed Balls said:
"Chancellors have to think very carefully before they comment on the issues of the day. How they do so says a lot about the character of their chancellorship. That is why I believe George Osborne's calculated decision to use the shocking and vile crimes of Mick Philpott to advance a political argument is the cynical act of a desperate chancellor. For the Chancellor to link this wider debate to this shocking crime is nasty and divisive and demeans his office."
Except that both his "partners" worked, albeit in part time cleaning type jobs.
So in effect he was a "stay at home" dad OR he was sponging off his partners depending on which way you look at it.
I am sure that there are plenty of people in a similar position (albeit without the high number of children) who use the state to "support" themselves.
Osborne's attempt to link benefits to the the crime is a stupid as linking Fred West killing spree to him being a builder or Harold Shipman to being a doctor.
So in effect he was a "stay at home" dad OR he was sponging off his partners depending on which way you look at it.
I am sure that there are plenty of people in a similar position (albeit without the high number of children) who use the state to "support" themselves.
Osborne's attempt to link benefits to the the crime is a stupid as linking Fred West killing spree to him being a builder or Harold Shipman to being a doctor.
sugerbear said:
Except that both his "partners" worked, albeit in part time cleaning type jobs.
So in effect he was a "stay at home" dad OR he was sponging off his partners depending on which way you look at it.
I am sure that there are plenty of people in a similar position (albeit without the high number of children) who use the state to "support" themselves.
Osborne's attempt to link benefits to the the crime is a stupid as linking Fred West killing spree to him being a builder or Harold Shipman to being a doctor.
Are you sure about the Harold Shipman link ? Reason I mention it is that wasn't there steps taken after Shipman - safeguards introduced ?So in effect he was a "stay at home" dad OR he was sponging off his partners depending on which way you look at it.
I am sure that there are plenty of people in a similar position (albeit without the high number of children) who use the state to "support" themselves.
Osborne's attempt to link benefits to the the crime is a stupid as linking Fred West killing spree to him being a builder or Harold Shipman to being a doctor.
Osbourne / Cameron procrastination over this example of inhumanity for political advantage!
This really is a case of the duo proclaiming, public are so thick they cannot work out the obvious conclusions. Most sensible people can manage to make up their own minds on this particular case. Another blunder IMO that belittles politics.
If this is the best we have in our Politics I fear for our future, as a Nation.
This really is a case of the duo proclaiming, public are so thick they cannot work out the obvious conclusions. Most sensible people can manage to make up their own minds on this particular case. Another blunder IMO that belittles politics.
If this is the best we have in our Politics I fear for our future, as a Nation.
crankedup said:
Osbourne / Cameron procrastination over this example of inhumanity for political advantage!
This really is a case of the duo proclaiming, public are so thick they cannot work out the obvious conclusions. Most sensible people can manage to make up their own minds on this particular case. Another blunder IMO that belittles politics.
If this is the best we have in our Politics I fear for our future, as a Nation.
As I mentioned in this or another thread recently, it's all going to be OK because the Two Labour Eds have a money tree and loadsa gullible followers each packing a shedload of Miracle Gro.This really is a case of the duo proclaiming, public are so thick they cannot work out the obvious conclusions. Most sensible people can manage to make up their own minds on this particular case. Another blunder IMO that belittles politics.
If this is the best we have in our Politics I fear for our future, as a Nation.
crankedup said:
If this is the best we have in our Politics I fear for our future, as a Nation.
Don't worry, Milliband and Balls are waiting in the wings.....actually, on second thoughts..
Meanwhile, Harman pops up out of nowhere: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9977158/H...
Edited by Crafty_ on Sunday 7th April 13:06
Crafty_ said:
crankedup said:
If this is the best we have in our Politics I fear for our future, as a Nation.
Don't worry, Milliband and Balls are waiting in the wings.....actually, on second thoughts..
Meanwhile, Harman pops up out of nowhere: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9977158/H...
Deva Link said:
bad company said:
About supporting the likes of Phillpot?
The snag is that some people are in danger of making it sound like Phillpot is a victim too, in his case of the welfare state.If he wanted to simply burn down his house he could have done that during the day when his kids were out, instead he worked the situation so he would appear to be the big man, the hero.
If he was an accountant he would be defrauding his clients, if he was a policeman he would be selling drugs back to the dealers and if he was a banker he would be sitting on a big pension pot.
Fecking disgusting piece of human, but benefits didn't make him what he is.
Crafty_ said:
crankedup said:
If this is the best we have in our Politics I fear for our future, as a Nation.
Don't worry, Milliband and Balls are waiting in the wings.....actually, on second thoughts..
Meanwhile, Harman pops up out of nowhere: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9977158/H...
Edited by Crafty_ on Sunday 7th April 13:06
I think Ozzy (no not the PH one) has actually done something crafty. This is the Tories '50p tax' i.e. by getting Labour to take the opposite position and reduce their credibility with the voters who fortunately are not all benefit claimants (yet). Harperson has realised the trap and is jumping on the anti-benefits bandwagon. Also she's probably not a fan of Milliband being a traditional Labour person.
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