2016 - a year of discontent?

[DAVEVO9]

valiant said:

England losing to Iceland and crashing out of the Euros.

Is sad.

Seriously?

[cahami]

At least England won't be watered down anymore like a cheap lager. The poor countries in the eu are not likely to gain much growth but the rest of Europe will be dragged down to their level.

[mwstewart]

The weather bothers me. I've just about finished tinkering with the holiday car and live in hope the seasons calm themselves enough to allow me a little blast.

[Graemsay]

vonuber said:

I think haven given people the whiff of a voice, to go back to the archaic FPTP where your vote doesn't really matter will be interesting.

There seems to be a growing opinion that the UK should move to a proportional representation system. I don't know if this is just newspaper columnists and politicians from minor parties making noise, or whether there is a genuine shift.

I'd like to see reform. I think that it'll be difficult in a parliament that's dominated by two parties who benefit from it, but it might happen.

If you're interested, The Independent gave a breakdown of the last election's results under PR.

Party : FPTP Seats / PR Seats

Conservatives: 331 / 242
Labour: 232 / 199
UKIP: 1 / 82
Lib Dems: 8 / 51
SNP: 56 / 31
Greens: 1 / 24

[Elroy Blue]

Just no. FPTP is pretty crap, but at least it doesn't involve minority whackos like the Greens getting influence far beyond their vote count

[anonymous-user]

rs1952 said:

A response like that suggests that the reality of the situation hasn't dawned on you yet. Either.

Oh well, enjoy your euphoria whilst it lasts...

It's not euphoria, it's relief. For some of us this thing called democracy matters.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 1st July 05:30

[eccles]

Graemsay said:

vonuber said:

I think haven given people the whiff of a voice, to go back to the archaic FPTP where your vote doesn't really matter will be interesting.

There seems to be a growing opinion that the UK should move to a proportional representation system. I don't know if this is just newspaper columnists and politicians from minor parties making noise, or whether there is a genuine shift.

I'd like to see reform. I think that it'll be difficult in a parliament that's dominated by two parties who benefit from it, but it might happen.

If you're interested, The Independent gave a breakdown of the last election's results under PR.

Party : FPTP Seats / PR Seats

Conservatives: 331 / 242
Labour: 232 / 199
UKIP: 1 / 82
Lib Dems: 8 / 51
SNP: 56 / 31
Greens: 1 / 24

It seems to me the only time FPTP gets mentioned is when the result doesn't go the way the loser wanted.

[Axionknight]

Jockman said:

Remember Leicester FC won the Prem League.

As a Sunderland fan I'm hoping we can emulate their avoidance of the drop and then go on to win it.

17th will do, mind.

[Evolved]

jamoor said:

Under 30s that have grown up around the EU and the notion of the single market have their liberties stripped away. Shame we werent able to keep going another 30-40 years so all of the people leading the EU had also grown up with it.

Oh yes the most vocal of the remain camp, oh how they've had their futures ruined.

[CaptainSlow]

Elroy Blue said:

Just no. FPTP is pretty crap, but at least it doesn't involve minority whackos like the Greens getting influence far beyond their vote count

Huh? Their influence would be as per their vote count, that's the point of PR!

[vonuber]

Elroy Blue said:

Just no. FPTP is pretty crap, but at least it doesn't involve minority whackos like the Greens getting influence far beyond their vote count

That makes no sense whatsoever.

[Elroy Blue]

CaptainSlow said:

Huh? Their influence would be as per their vote count, that's the point of PR!

Not when they hold a 'balance of power'. Their influence then far exceeds their vote.

[iphonedyou]

don'tbesilly said:

alternatively -
was inevitable.
Expectation never matches reality where England are concerned.

Could you explain how you think it was inevitable given they were playing Iceland in particular?

[anonymous-user]

iphonedyou said:

Could you explain how you think it was inevitable given they were playing Iceland in particular?

Cos we is ste innit bruv.

[The Beaver King]

jamoor said:

Under 30s that have grown up around the EU and the notion of the single market have their liberties stripped away. Shame we werent able to keep going another 30-40 years so all of the people leading the EU had also grown up with it.

Maybe they should have turned out to vote in force then, rather than sat at home voting via Facebook...?

Typical kids; can't be arsed to vote but plenty vocal when the outcome actually affects them.

[Jockman]

Axionknight said:

Jockman said:

Remember Leicester FC won the Prem League.

As a Sunderland fan I'm hoping we can emulate their avoidance of the drop and then go on to win it.

17th will do, mind.

Grr - I'm Liverpool.

Adam Johnson's final act was to score at Anfield. Couldn't you have binned him sooner?

[Camoradi]

rs1952 said:

We are in for a few years of discontent, as the reality dawns on some of those that voted out that:

1. The place will still be full of low-paid immigrants, otherwise a lot of farm produce will be left rotting in the ground because the locals won't dig it out for the money.
2. We won't be giving an extra £350m per week to the NHS
3. We won't be zero-rating VAT on fuel
4. We won't be reopening coal fired power stations or scrapping wind farms
5. We won't be rebuilding our fishing industry because there's not enough fish for 'em all to catch
6. Whitehall actually likes most EU regulations and will be fighting hard to keep it if anybody tries to get rid of it.

And so on...

give it a rest!

[fatboy b]

rs1952 said:

don'tbesilly said:

rs1952 said:

We are in for a few years of discontent, as the reality dawns on some of those that voted out that:

1. The place will still be full of low-paid immigrants, otherwise a lot of farm produce will be left rotting in the ground because the locals won't dig it out for the money.
2. We won't be giving an extra £350m per week to the NHS
3. We won't be zero-rating VAT on fuel
4. We won't be reopening coal fired power stations or scrapping wind farms
5. We won't be rebuilding our fishing industry because there's not enough fish for 'em all to catch
6. Whitehall actually likes most EU regulations and will be fighting hard to keep it if anybody tries to get rid of it.

And so on...

Geez, with that attitude can I suggest:

http://www.samaritans.org/

A response like that suggests that the reality of the situation hasn't dawned on you yet. Either.

Oh well, enjoy your euphoria whilst it lasts...

Good grief.

[eatcustard]

rs1952 said:

We are in for a few years of discontent, as the reality dawns on some of those that voted out that:

1. The place will still be full of low-paid immigrants, otherwise a lot of farm produce will be left rotting in the ground because the locals won't dig it out for the money.

They come on short contracts then go home, I know because I have a farmer near me who does just that.

[jamoor]

The Beaver King said:

Maybe they should have turned out to vote in force then, rather than sat at home voting via Facebook...?

Typical kids; can't be arsed to vote but plenty vocal when the outcome actually affects them.

Its amazing how different the thinking is between generations. I'd say we can attribute part of it to EU legislation and part of it to firms like Ryanair and Easy jet.