M1 'horror' crash

[anonymous-user]

SantaBarbara said:

Welshbeef said:

Well when a BBC R2 station says arrested for drink driving not sure what wrong conclusion you can draw from that unless R2 are mistaken.

Other factors as well as that

Ffs.

[voyds9]

SantaBarbara said:

You are jumping to possibly a wrong conclusion

Agreed.

Drunk could have been the first lorry and stopped perfectly innocently and rear lorry hit him whilst stationery.

Not saying this is what happened just a possibility.

However, the drunk should be charged, irrespective of whether he caused the accident.

(Another assumption is that the drivers were HE)

[mickmcpaddy]

Yet again its a lorry involved, yes I know it could have been totally caused by the minibus but odds on it was the fauly one of the many pricks that drive lorries nowadays and more innocent kids have died as a result. How else can something like that happen at that time in the morning. I have spent many an hour driving along various motorways at that sort of time and they are pretty much empty, yet you still get trucks that move as soon as they indicate with a fk you attitude to everyone else.

[Robertj21a]

mickmcpaddy said:

Yet again its a lorry involved, yes I know it could have been totally caused by the minibus but odds on it was the fauly one of the many pricks that drive lorries nowadays and more innocent kids have died as a result. How else can something like that happen at that time in the morning. I have spent many an hour driving along various motorways at that sort of time and they are pretty much empty, yet you still get trucks that move as soon as they indicate with a fk you attitude to everyone else.

So, if it turns out that the minibus did a late turn into the slip road it will still be just the lorry driver at fault ?

Why not wait for some facts.

[AJB88]

I was up at 0300 with patio door open, live about 0.5 miles away and can hear the motorway from where I live can't say I heard anything. RIP to all those involved.

[mickmcpaddy]

Robertj21a said:

mickmcpaddy said:

Yet again its a lorry involved, yes I know it could have been totally caused by the minibus but odds on it was the fauly one of the many pricks that drive lorries nowadays and more innocent kids have died as a result. How else can something like that happen at that time in the morning. I have spent many an hour driving along various motorways at that sort of time and they are pretty much empty, yet you still get trucks that move as soon as they indicate with a fk you attitude to everyone else.

So, if it turns out that the minibus did a late turn into the slip road it will still be just the lorry driver at fault ?

Why not wait for some facts.

I fully agree its possible that the minibus driver caused it, I suppose there is a first time for anything.

[Jimmy Recard]

mickmcpaddy said:

I fully agree its possible that the minibus driver caused it, I suppose there is a first time for anything.

When I was at school there was a minibus that had an accident in Snowdonia.

So that proves there has been at least one accident involving a minibus before this one.

[Glasgowrob]

Horrific accident and far to early to draw any conclusions other than one cocksocket was over the drink drive limit, I think it's safe to say that's a given

[Robertj21a]

mickmcpaddy said:

I fully agree its possible that the minibus driver caused it, I suppose there is a first time for anything.

Not the first time for a minibus to be involved in a serious accident - unfortunately there have been rather a lot of them.

[mickmcpaddy]

Robertj21a said:

mickmcpaddy said:

I fully agree its possible that the minibus driver caused it, I suppose there is a first time for anything.

Not the first time for a minibus to be involved in a serious accident - unfortunately there have been rather a lot of them.

Obviously its not the first time one has been involved, all I am saying is I will show my arse if one or both of the lorries aren't to blame.

[Cold]

Six men and 2 women killed, 2 adults and a 5-year-old girl in hospital with life-threatening injuries.

[Yipper]

Front of the minibus.

ITV saying it may have been a family over from India and traveling down from Nottingham on the day.

[Hub]

mickmcpaddy said:

Robertj21a said:

mickmcpaddy said:

I fully agree its possible that the minibus driver caused it, I suppose there is a first time for anything.

Not the first time for a minibus to be involved in a serious accident - unfortunately there have been rather a lot of them.

Obviously its not the first time one has been involved, all I am saying is I will show my arse if one or both of the lorries aren't to blame.

There was an example a couple of years ago, with a minibus driver carrying a hen party convicted of a fatal crash on the M62 and the lorry driver that went into the back of them cleared. I can't remember the exact circumstances.

[Einion Yrth]

Hub said:

mickmcpaddy said:

Robertj21a said:

mickmcpaddy said:

I fully agree its possible that the minibus driver caused it, I suppose there is a first time for anything.

Not the first time for a minibus to be involved in a serious accident - unfortunately there have been rather a lot of them.

Obviously its not the first time one has been involved, all I am saying is I will show my arse if one or both of the lorries aren't to blame.

There was an example a couple of years ago, with a minibus driver carrying a hen party convicted of a fatal crash on the M62 and the lorry driver that went into the back of them cleared. I can't remember the exact circumstances.

BBC said:

This one?

[steve-5snwi]

There isn't a lot left of that Transit, I wonder if the first lorry had missed the juntion and tried to reverse of something daft, the minibus had to slow but the Fedex plowed into the lot of them ? no doubt we will find out in due course.

[saaby93]

Einion Yrth said:

BBC said:

This one?

That was an interesting conclusion
So the guy doing 5.5mph (why is that so accurate) convicted not the truck that run into him
Could that have parallels in the cycling threads where someone holds centre lane on a DC, rather than keeping to one side

[Robertj21a]

mickmcpaddy said:

Robertj21a said:

mickmcpaddy said:

I fully agree its possible that the minibus driver caused it, I suppose there is a first time for anything.

Not the first time for a minibus to be involved in a serious accident - unfortunately there have been rather a lot of them.

Obviously its not the first time one has been involved, all I am saying is I will show my arse if one or both of the lorries aren't to blame.

I'm confused ! - your original comment was 'there is a first time for anything'........

[Einion Yrth]

Robertj21a said:

mickmcpaddy said:

Robertj21a said:

mickmcpaddy said:

I fully agree its possible that the minibus driver caused it, I suppose there is a first time for anything.

Not the first time for a minibus to be involved in a serious accident - unfortunately there have been rather a lot of them.

Obviously its not the first time one has been involved, all I am saying is I will show my arse if one or both of the lorries aren't to blame.

I'm confused ! - your original comment was 'there is a first time for anything'........

Which, in context would have been causing it, not being involved; still wrong, mind. Just not actually inconsistent.

[Jonesy23]

steve-5snwi said:

There isn't a lot left of that Transit, I wonder if the first lorry had missed the juntion and tried to reverse of something daft, the minibus had to slow but the Fedex plowed into the lot of them ? no doubt we will find out in due course.

That would be my bet. The crash was just past the junction and there was a big speed differential. And both truck drivers charged.

Driver A misses junction, does a dangerous manoeuvre to avoid going to the next junction. Probably reversing and/or an abrupt stop.

Driver B is pissed and doesn't react to what is in front of him, plows into the back.

Minibus is caught in between.

And neither of these were small freight operators so I hate to think the sort of standards others are working to.

[saaby93]

Jonesy23 said:

That would be my bet. The crash was just past the junction and there was a big speed differential. And both truck drivers charged.

Driver A misses junction, does a dangerous manoeuvre to avoid going to the next junction. Probably reversing and/or an abrupt stop.

Driver B is pissed and doesn't react to what is in front of him, plows into the back.

Minibus is caught in between.

And neither of these were small freight operators so I hate to think the sort of standards others are working to.

Isnt there a hard shoulder