Organ Transplant Bill

[Rawwr]

Rovinghawk said:

I put it to you that if I came demanding you do abc then your automatic reaction would be to tell me where to shove it. I'm doing exactly that.

But they have put the same thing to me and I don't object because I'll be dead. It's of zero consequence. If you came up to me demanding that you wanted to sodomise my still-twitching corpse moments after I've died, again, go for it. It's of zero consequence.

[Oakey]

Rawwr said:

But they have put the same thing to me and I don't object because I'll be dead. It's of zero consequence. If you came up to me demanding that you wanted to sodomise my still-twitching corpse moments after I've died, again, go for it. It's of zero consequence.

But you might not be dead, like in the earlier linked article.

[Rovinghawk]

Rawwr said:

If you came up to me demanding that you wanted to sodomise my still-twitching corpse moments after I've died, again, go for it.

In return for dibs on my organs? A strange bargain but you've got a deal.

[Rawwr]

Oakey said:

But you might not be dead, like in the earlier linked article.

I'll take my chances.

[anonymous-user]

Seems like a good idea (eta; assuming the donor is actually dead). As a biker I always felt a bit like a bag of spare parts whenever it rained anyway. It never even occurred to me that they needed permission to take what they needed once I was dead.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 23 February 14:10

[wst]

Oakey said:

Rawwr said:

But they have put the same thing to me and I don't object because I'll be dead. It's of zero consequence. If you came up to me demanding that you wanted to sodomise my still-twitching corpse moments after I've died, again, go for it. It's of zero consequence.

But you might not be dead, like in the earlier linked article.

The earlier linked article, where the entire situation occurred in an "opt-in" country?

If the family hadn't opted in, the person would have woken up on a cold slab or possibly a hot fire. The failure was in medical knowledge, not overzealous organ harvesters.

[Rovinghawk]

98elise said:

If your answer is no then answer no. If your answer is yes then you don't need to do a thing.

Answer was yes, answer is now no.

98elise said:

I wouldn't call wanting to save lives arrogance.

Wanting to save/improve lives is admirable but I don't accept that the end justifies the means.

98elise said:

I'm happy for consent to be implied.

But I'm not- that's the whole point. They have the ability to ask but have screwed it up.

[Randy Winkman]

Rovinghawk said:

MacW said:

You're basically letting people potentially die just because you want to have a tantrum.

I'm a bad person. OTOH they didn't need to provoke said tantrum.

Perhaps, one day, one of your loved ones will suffer because another person has taken a similarly selfish decision.

[handpaper]

98elise said:

Rovinghawk said:

I carried an organ donor card for years.

I am now opting out because I refuse to have anybody make decisions like that for me. Tough on those that would otherwise benefit but how dare the authorities try to presume what I want to do based on their wishes rather than mine.

All they had to do was ask people nicely rather than dictate, but they're too arrogant for that.

In essence they are. If your answer is no then answer no. If your answer is yes then you don't need to do a thing.

It's too important a subject to get indignant about the method of asking and I wouldn't call wanting to save lives arrogance.

I used to carry a card but I don't now (low on my list for sorting out). I'm happy for consent to be implied.

Unless the current right of next-of-kin to be consulted (even when the deceased carried a card) is removed, this will not be the panacea predicted.
Anyone trying to remove that veto will discover what today's press would have made of Burke and Hare.

[Cold]

Surely the current low uptake on OD cards shows the public's thoughts on the matter already?

[Mothersruin]

Rovinghawk said:

98elise said:

I'm happy for consent to be implied.

But I'm not- that's the whole point. They have the ability to ask but have screwed it up.

Would you like to take the high ground and still donate even given how silly the government has been, just in case it saves someone's life?

[Rovinghawk]

Mothersruin said:

Would you like to take the high ground and still donate even given how silly the government has been, just in case it saves someone's life?

Now THAT is how you get results.

[Moonhawk]

Rovinghawk said:

I carried an organ donor card for years.

I am now opting out because I refuse to have anybody make decisions like that for me. Tough on those that would otherwise benefit but how dare the authorities try to presume what I want to do based on their wishes rather than mine.

All they had to do was ask people nicely rather than dictate, but they're too arrogant for that.

There are many things that have to be presumed if you havent left explicit instructions.

Take dying without a will for example. Without leaving explicit instructions - your family (or in the absence of a family - the authorities) make decisions based on how your assets should be distributed, how you should be ‘disposed of’ etc.

I really dont see why this is any different - especially considering you get exactly the same choice as you did before. Nobody has had any fundamental rights removed by this change.

[mx5nut]

Always amusing when people are convinced that those involved in an illegal organ harvesting conspiracy would care if they had opted in or not under the current system

[anonymous-user]

Opting out should also mean you go right to the bottom of the transplant list should you ever be on one!

[Aphex]

Thanks for the heads up.

Opted out

[Moonhawk]

Cold said:

Surely the current low uptake on OD cards shows the public's thoughts on the matter already?

If people genuinely dont want to donate, rather than simply not being arsed to sign up - then we should see a huge uptake in opting out due to this change.

[Moonhawk]

fblm said:

Opting out should also mean you go right to the bottom of the transplant list should you ever be on one!

Yep - this.

[anonymous-user]

mx5nut said:

Always amusing when people are convinced that those involved in an illegal organ harvesting conspiracy would care if they had opted in or not under the current system

Really? How often have you had this conversation?

[4x4Tyke]

Rovinghawk said:

All they had to do was ask people nicely rather than dictate, but they're too arrogant for that.

What is arrogant are the family members to intercede to block donation of people with doner cards.

This is a good way to stop that.