Falling car sales .. job losses coming
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untakenname said:
That's literally as far as the eye can see!
I don't get why consumers are treated so much better in America, the RX8 had a no quibble 80k warranty for the engine in America whereas in Europe they offered nothing.
Diesels have no place in heavily congested urban areas imo, people bought them as they saw the road tax was cheap and they could get a few more mpg compared to petrol but the air quality needs to improve so something has to be done about them.
To be fair in some of the bigger/higher end JLR products where the only petrol option is a over 500 BHP 5 litre V8, the difference between that and a diesel is more than just a few mpg, which is why they’re suffering a bit at the moment, EU6 diesels are pretty clean and arnt a big problem it’s older ones that are.I don't get why consumers are treated so much better in America, the RX8 had a no quibble 80k warranty for the engine in America whereas in Europe they offered nothing.
Diesels have no place in heavily congested urban areas imo, people bought them as they saw the road tax was cheap and they could get a few more mpg compared to petrol but the air quality needs to improve so something has to be done about them.
I agree with you about air quality needing to improve in some cities, to do this something will indeed have to be done about older diesels but at the same time it’s not really fair to retrospectively tax/ban something that was actively encouraged by the government of the day and make cars as late as EU5/2014 lose shed loads of value, a tricky situation indeed and one I don’t see any easy solution for, subsidised retrofitting of adblue systems possibly?, although I’m not sure if it’s viable.
My diesel 4 years old now. Normally I would change it about now.
When new it was meant to save the planet, still gets 55+ mpg when driven normally & tax is £30 a year
New diesels are demonised & taxed heavily
Don’t fancy an equivalent petrol with 30s mpg
Don’t fancy hybrid. Electric not practical for me (just moved the emissions to a power station in Leicestershire anyway..)
So i’ll drive my economical & cheap to tax diesel into the ground, like many. The motor industry have lost a sale here.
When new it was meant to save the planet, still gets 55+ mpg when driven normally & tax is £30 a year
New diesels are demonised & taxed heavily
Don’t fancy an equivalent petrol with 30s mpg
Don’t fancy hybrid. Electric not practical for me (just moved the emissions to a power station in Leicestershire anyway..)
So i’ll drive my economical & cheap to tax diesel into the ground, like many. The motor industry have lost a sale here.
Willy Nilly said:
So JLR put a large bet on diesel and lost, or have I missed something?
Ish.They put a big bet on the Petrol and Diesel Ingenium family that came to market in 2015 with no hybrids.
And yet BMW had been running Active Hybrid for a few years by then and were well placed to make "compliance" PHEV cars when the BIK changed in their favour.
The thing that tickles me is that they are not renewing 1000 tempt contracts.....so that will be 990 Polish guys looking for a new job then.
Same as where I’m working now, I’m helping move production off shore, initially to Poland and Romania, then to the Far East, sounds bad, but number of British people out of the job is nearly zero as they have already been replaced with Polish.
I do find it ironic to have east European people moan to me about losing their job.
Same as where I’m working now, I’m helping move production off shore, initially to Poland and Romania, then to the Far East, sounds bad, but number of British people out of the job is nearly zero as they have already been replaced with Polish.
I do find it ironic to have east European people moan to me about losing their job.
untakenname said:
Diesels have no place in heavily congested urban areas imo, people bought them as they saw the road tax was cheap and they could get a few more mpg compared to petrol but the air quality needs to improve so something has to be done about them.
I read the biggest cause of particulate pollution in London now is people with wood burning fires.deltaevo16 said:
Both the BBC and ITV headlines last night, included Brexit as a reason for JLR downsizing. Why do they continue to peddle this. I am sure there will be a time when Brexit will have some newsworthy items, but until that happens, it's just scaremongering!
That’s what JLR said, not the news outlets. Should the news channels not report the news correctly in case it doesn’t fit with peoples politics? NerveAgent said:
That’s what JLR said, not the news outlets. Should the news channels not report the news correctly in case it doesn’t fit with peoples politics?
It's not the will of the people who voted for Brexit to hear anything negative about Brexit.Someone will be along calling me a troll soon
Wobbegong said:
Mr. White said:
Fittster said:
Strange the Daily Mail seemed to have missed the bit about Brexit
That's because it's feck all to do with Brexit. 
It’s uncertainty over the next ‘green’ policy that the government will dream up.
Many switched to diesel as petrol was punished due to CO2 emissions
Now they’re saying diesel is evil and planning to punish diesel owners.
And they wonder why people are thinking “I’ll stick with what I have”.
Obviously you guys know more about it than Jaguar Land Rover though.
deltaevo16 said:
Both the BBC and ITV headlines last night, included Brexit as a reason for JLR downsizing. Why do they continue to peddle this. I am sure there will be a time when Brexit will have some newsworthy items, but until that happens, it's just scaremongering!
Our business is affected by it - HQ is in UK and we operate across Europe. We just only got part of a contract where we expected to get the whole of Europe and they blamed Brexit.Business’s I talk to who export heavily - not just to Europe as pretty well all trade agreements become null & void - are absolutely wetting themselves at the moment.
Ghibli said:
NerveAgent said:
That’s what JLR said, not the news outlets. Should the news channels not report the news correctly in case it doesn’t fit with peoples politics?
It's not the will of the people who voted for Brexit to hear anything negative about Brexit.Someone will be along calling me a troll soon
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.c...
Whatever the real reason is it’s a shame. They will blame diesel or Brexit. I don’t buy it!
The factories produce cars for Europe so local government environmental policies would affect local market mostly which would not warrant the loss if 1000 alone. Brexit only adds to uncertainty. I think it’s a strategic decision and not a knee jerk reaction. They probably plan to slowly move manufacturing where shareholders profit is maximised. The diesel/brexit it’s just smoke and mirrors. Saying that it is undeniable it has and will have an effect on local market.
In the grand scheme of things the problem with diesel is using it in big city centres where it affects air quality and people that live there. Diesel cars/lorries travelling greater distances on motorways are a very good fit for purpose engine design, also good for applications wher low end torque is preferred. I gave no issues with new diesels and think they ca be a good solution.
City driving?? Quite frankly no and starting by local governments changing the bus to electric/hydrogen/hybrid would cut out pollution and NOx emissions. Also tax less environment friendly cars in city centres no problem to that but there has to be alternatives such as a good transport system and good park and drives on the outskirts.
Sorry I digress but for many environmentalists the only way they would be happy was if we all walked or cycled... and although healthy from a lifestyle point of view, hardly viable. Then they would probably tax the leather on the shoes anyway
The factories produce cars for Europe so local government environmental policies would affect local market mostly which would not warrant the loss if 1000 alone. Brexit only adds to uncertainty. I think it’s a strategic decision and not a knee jerk reaction. They probably plan to slowly move manufacturing where shareholders profit is maximised. The diesel/brexit it’s just smoke and mirrors. Saying that it is undeniable it has and will have an effect on local market.
In the grand scheme of things the problem with diesel is using it in big city centres where it affects air quality and people that live there. Diesel cars/lorries travelling greater distances on motorways are a very good fit for purpose engine design, also good for applications wher low end torque is preferred. I gave no issues with new diesels and think they ca be a good solution.
City driving?? Quite frankly no and starting by local governments changing the bus to electric/hydrogen/hybrid would cut out pollution and NOx emissions. Also tax less environment friendly cars in city centres no problem to that but there has to be alternatives such as a good transport system and good park and drives on the outskirts.
Sorry I digress but for many environmentalists the only way they would be happy was if we all walked or cycled... and although healthy from a lifestyle point of view, hardly viable. Then they would probably tax the leather on the shoes anyway
Liokault said:
The thing that tickles me is that they are not renewing 1000 tempt contracts.....so that will be 990 Polish guys looking for a new job then.
Same as where I’m working now, I’m helping move production off shore, initially to Poland and Romania, then to the Far East, sounds bad, but number of British people out of the job is nearly zero as they have already been replaced with Polish.
I do find it ironic to have east European people moan to me about losing their job.
What an unpleasant post.Same as where I’m working now, I’m helping move production off shore, initially to Poland and Romania, then to the Far East, sounds bad, but number of British people out of the job is nearly zero as they have already been replaced with Polish.
I do find it ironic to have east European people moan to me about losing their job.
It's just part of JLR's long term plan of moving production to cheaper countries.
It's no surprise that this has come about when the Slovakian plant is due to come online with in the next few months.
They already have plants that have not long opened in China and Brazil IIRC, places where Labour will be a lot cheaper than it is here.
They'll leave a token plant here producing maybe the 405, then the rest will be made abroad.
Blaming Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
It's no surprise that this has come about when the Slovakian plant is due to come online with in the next few months.
They already have plants that have not long opened in China and Brazil IIRC, places where Labour will be a lot cheaper than it is here.
They'll leave a token plant here producing maybe the 405, then the rest will be made abroad.
Blaming Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
WonkeyDonkey said:
It's just part of JLR's long term plan of moving production to cheaper countries.
It's no surprise that this has come about when the Slovakian plant is due to come online with in the next few months.
They already have plants that have not long opened in China and Brazil IIRC, places where Labour will be a lot cheaper than it is here.
They'll leave a token plant here producing maybe the 405, then the rest will be made abroad.
Blaming Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
Depending on the deal and customs solution, brexit could well tip the balance for the proportion of work that moves, and jobs that are lost. The outcome and changed trading and movement conditions will factor in future business decisions.It's no surprise that this has come about when the Slovakian plant is due to come online with in the next few months.
They already have plants that have not long opened in China and Brazil IIRC, places where Labour will be a lot cheaper than it is here.
They'll leave a token plant here producing maybe the 405, then the rest will be made abroad.
Blaming Brexit is just a convenient excuse.
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