Political campaigns have become smarter, but Lush UK?
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Davos123 said:
Terzo123 said:
Possibly, however their shop displays do not indicate that, and would appear to generalise that police are paid to lie.
Instead of apologising, they are continuing to dig, which at the end of the day is their prerogative, although potentially a financially expensive one.
Imagine being an off duty cop with your family walking passed that. I don't think you would be going in.
The window displays state "spied on for taking a stand" - the display is meant to capture attention and get people looking into what it's about, they're not going to put a 1,000 word essay detailing the exact issues on it.Instead of apologising, they are continuing to dig, which at the end of the day is their prerogative, although potentially a financially expensive one.
Imagine being an off duty cop with your family walking passed that. I don't think you would be going in.
Davos123 said:
The window displays state "spied on for taking a stand" - the display is meant to capture attention and get people looking into what it's about, they're not going to put a 1,000 word essay detailing the exact issues on it.
Except that's not just an over-simplification, but actively misleading.The groups that were infiltrated were not targetted because of their "taking a stand", but because of the illegal and disruptive tactics they used to promote their messages - such as breaking into power stations and vandalising them.
Apparently an attempt to highlight lack of progress on the Mitting inquiry into undercover policing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43487941
Which is all well and good.
But what the blitheringf
k has this to do cosmetics????
Has their marketing department been farmed out to the Police Spies Out of Lives campaign group?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43487941
Which is all well and good.
But what the blitheringf
k has this to do cosmetics????Has their marketing department been farmed out to the Police Spies Out of Lives campaign group?
Ridgemont said:
Which is all well and good.
But what the blitheringfk has this to do cosmetics????
Has their marketing department been farmed out to the Police Spies Out of Lives campaign group?
Lush take a strong stance against animal testing, they have a strong interest in the animal rights movement - a movement that was treated appallingly by undercover police officers.But what the blitheringf
k has this to do cosmetics????Has their marketing department been farmed out to the Police Spies Out of Lives campaign group?
TooMany2cvs said:
Except that's not just an over-simplification, but actively misleading.
The groups that were infiltrated were not targetted because of their "taking a stand", but because of the illegal and disruptive tactics they used to promote their messages - such as breaking into power stations and vandalising them.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/04/undercover-met-spy-animal-rights-overturn-conviction-appealThe groups that were infiltrated were not targetted because of their "taking a stand", but because of the illegal and disruptive tactics they used to promote their messages - such as breaking into power stations and vandalising them.
Davos123 said:
Ridgemont said:
Which is all well and good.
But what the blitheringfk has this to do cosmetics????
Has their marketing department been farmed out to the Police Spies Out of Lives campaign group?
Lush take a strong stance against animal testing, they have a strong interest in the animal rights movement - a movement that was treated appallingly by undercover police officers.But what the blitheringf
k has this to do cosmetics????Has their marketing department been farmed out to the Police Spies Out of Lives campaign group?
Seems strange that they would have this campaign in their high street shop windows.
Challo said:
But surely most customers are just buying products because they smell/look nice, and make good birthday presents for me.
Seems strange that they would have this campaign in their high street shop windows.
they've been proudly displaying "Hunt Saboteurs" banners in their windows for yearsSeems strange that they would have this campaign in their high street shop windows.
Challo said:
But surely most customers are just buying products because they smell/look nice, and make good birthday presents for me.
Seems strange that they would have this campaign in their high street shop windows.
Lush have built their brand at least part in prominently campaigning against animal testing and they have been extremely successful. Whether their success is related or in spite of their animal rights stance I don't know and neither do you, but what I do know is that they are in a better position to judge than either of us. I also know that myself and many others I know shop at Lush because of their stance on animal testing.Seems strange that they would have this campaign in their high street shop windows.
This is their Gerald Ratner moment, they've handled this terribly. At it's heart, this is a campaign about a load of hippies being pissed off that they were investigated for their criminal activities but the way they've advertised it smears all police.
Shameful behavior, I hope their business is irreparably damaged.
Shameful behavior, I hope their business is irreparably damaged.
Mastodon2 said:
This is their Gerald Ratner moment, they've handled this terribly. At it's heart, this is a campaign about a load of hippies being pissed off that they were investigated for their criminal activities but the way they've advertised it smears all police.
Do you think it's ethical for undercover police agents to enter into relationships and in some cases, have children with, people suspected of being a part of groups which may commit illegal acts? The women in some of these cases were never even charged, just used so police could get closer to others. It's fking shameful and several times worse than the criminal acts they were investigating in the first place.Davos123 said:
Mastodon2 said:
This is their Gerald Ratner moment, they've handled this terribly. At it's heart, this is a campaign about a load of hippies being pissed off that they were investigated for their criminal activities but the way they've advertised it smears all police.
Do you think it's ethical for undercover police agents to enter into relationships and in some cases, have children with, people suspected of being a part of groups which may commit illegal acts? The women in some of these cases were never even charged, just used so police could get closer to others. It's fking shameful and several times worse than the criminal acts they were investigating in the first place.Balls. The
s being investigated to that level were terrorists,al and so self righteous that no means was unforgivable for the ends. Now, the nature of such deep undercover work means that scenarios happen that are deeply regrettable. Many are beyond the control of the officers.
It would appear that it's all irrelevant now anyway - seen loads on Facebook saying that undercover simply isn't viable any more, just make the taking of a pill a condition of entry into the group...
0.2 % of officers involved in completely unethical work before a lot of current officers were born.
By all means highlight it but the campaign in the shop windows gives the impression it’s all officers. I can see why they and normal thinking folk are kicking off about it.
Most raging that it’s a good idea seem to be the swampy type that have multiple arrests for chaining themselves to trees/trucks/fences and like to hassle high street butchers about animal cruelty.
By all means highlight it but the campaign in the shop windows gives the impression it’s all officers. I can see why they and normal thinking folk are kicking off about it.
Most raging that it’s a good idea seem to be the swampy type that have multiple arrests for chaining themselves to trees/trucks/fences and like to hassle high street butchers about animal cruelty.
Sway said:
Davos123 said:
Mastodon2 said:
This is their Gerald Ratner moment, they've handled this terribly. At it's heart, this is a campaign about a load of hippies being pissed off that they were investigated for their criminal activities but the way they've advertised it smears all police.
Do you think it's ethical for undercover police agents to enter into relationships and in some cases, have children with, people suspected of being a part of groups which may commit illegal acts? The women in some of these cases were never even charged, just used so police could get closer to others. It's fking shameful and several times worse than the criminal acts they were investigating in the first place.Balls. The
s being investigated to that level were terrorists,al and so self righteous that no means was unforgivable for the ends. Now, the nature of such deep undercover work means that scenarios happen that are deeply regrettable. Many are beyond the control of the officers.
It would appear that it's all irrelevant now anyway - seen loads on Facebook saying that undercover simply isn't viable any more, just make the taking of a pill a condition of entry into the group...
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