Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 4)

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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I had to check it wasn't another two !
I suspect other companies may follow

motco said:

I wonder how many people heard what I heard on R4 'Today' last week with regard to McDonnell?
He is a "...one-time trainee Catholic priest..."

So he is taking revenge for his abuse by taking it out on everyone ?

[djohnson]

Elysium said:

Johnnytheboy said:

If he loses his second GE will he resign?

I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

[turbobloke]

djohnson said:

Elysium said:

Johnnytheboy said:

If he loses his second GE will he resign?

I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

Every cloud, etc!

[Burwood]

anonymous said:

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Labour knew this would happen. They get the kudos for promising it and now don't have to do so.

[SpeckledJim]

djohnson said:

Elysium said:

Johnnytheboy said:

If he loses his second GE will he resign?

I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

Failure this time will lead Momentum to conclude that Corbyn and McDonnell simply weren’t left enough.

[jakesmith]

djohnson said:

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

It's amazing that there aren't enough sensible people out there to sort Labour out, I know they are a much more democratically organsed party. There must be 100'000's of people out there who love Labour's values but aghast at present direction. Just as people joined up for fun to pay £3 to get Corbyn in, aren't there enough decent normal people out there that could be organised to vote for a decent leader (no idea who that would be mind, part of the problem I guess) and replace the Momentum idiots in the NEC with normal sensible people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4aLxcQMwzs

01:42 absolute incompetents!

[KingNothing]

turbobloke said:

djohnson said:

Elysium said:

Johnnytheboy said:

If he loses his second GE will he resign?

I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

Every cloud, etc!

Did McDonnell not say he and Jeremy would step down if they lost, and wanted the next leader to be a woman? Even name dropping the likes of cabbage headed Angela Rayner for the top spot.

[Burwood]

KingNothing said:

turbobloke said:

djohnson said:

Elysium said:

Johnnytheboy said:

If he loses his second GE will he resign?

I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

Every cloud, etc!

Did McDonnell not say he and Jeremy would step down if they lost, and wanted the next leader to be a woman? Even name dropping the likes of cabbage headed Angela Rayner for the top spot.

He did. But he is known for saying things then changing his mind. Could you imagine that illiterate as leader. I hope they do it

[turbobloke]

Burwood said:

KingNothing said:

turbobloke said:

djohnson said:

Elysium said:

Johnnytheboy said:

If he loses his second GE will he resign?

I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

Every cloud, etc!

Did McDonnell not say he and Jeremy would step down if they lost, and wanted the next leader to be a woman? Even name dropping the likes of cabbage headed Angela Rayner for the top spot.

He did. But he is known for saying things then changing his mind. Could you imagine that illiterate as leader. I hope they do it

That silver lining would turn into pure gold.

[KingNothing]

Burwood said:

KingNothing said:

turbobloke said:

djohnson said:

Elysium said:

Johnnytheboy said:

If he loses his second GE will he resign?

I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

Every cloud, etc!

Did McDonnell not say he and Jeremy would step down if they lost, and wanted the next leader to be a woman? Even name dropping the likes of cabbage headed Angela Rayner for the top spot.

He did. But he is known for saying things then changing his mind. Could you imagine that illiterate as leader. I hope they do it

I'm already embarrassed that I'm a hairy arsed electrician who has a higher level of formal education than the shadow education secretary, never mind if she becomes leader of the Labour party or Prime Minister.

Edited by KingNothing on Monday 25th November 12:27

[V10leptoquark]

djohnson said:

... However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

I would also agree with that.
The party in its current form has become 'extremist' by many accounts (especially if the left were to describe a right wing party demonstrating a similar large jump to the right).

Social media along with the left wing mainstream media seem to be the ones giving credibility to the party's current stance because it is all wrapped up in the bandwagon of "inequality", which many people think of as being something that is "soft and fluffy".
But at its heart it is nothing more than a re-brand of the marxist term"oppression".

In the absence of any credible economic policies, Momentum and the like seem to solely focus on the "oppression" aspect of social politics to get people on-board with their ideology.
"Oppression" doesn't exist within in any significant form in the UK anymore, neither does "poverty" exist in any significant number. So what the hard left are doing these days is focussing on small groups of people within society which may have their own issues within that grouping and presenting it as a national problem of "inequality".
And social media along with the mainstream media love all this - it gets people clicking pages that serves advertising revenues and it also gets people to tune in to completely pointless "opinion discussion shows" rather than presenting the bare facts news on what are branded as news channels.

Coming back to point, I don't see the current trend delivering any sanity to the left wing in the near future.

[csd19]

techiedave said:

motco said:

I wonder how many people heard what I heard on R4 'Today' last week with regard to McDonnell?
He is a "...one-time trainee Catholic priest..."

So he is taking revenge for his abuse by taking it out on everyone ?

Didn't fancy fking kiddies so decided to try to fk the country instead?

[Faust66]

JagLover said:

Let's go Corbyn neutral by Christmas

That'd be a fine, fine Christmas present...

[motco]

Faust66 said:

JagLover said:

Let's go Corbyn neutral by Christmas

That'd be a fine, fine Christmas present...

Completely Corbyn-free wold be better!

[Tony427]

SpeckledJim said:

djohnson said:

Elysium said:

Johnnytheboy said:

If he loses his second GE will he resign?

I hope he does. Our democracy requires a credible opposition party.

I think both he and McDonnell will go if (or looking at the current polls ‘when’) they lose. Ultimately they’d be in their mid 70s by the time of the next election and hence if they stayed they’d be standing for a term of office which would take them to around 80 which isn’t credible. However the Labour Party is firmly in the grip of the hard left, whatever MPs they do get this time round will have a much smaller proportion of moderates. Hence whilst Corbyn and McDonnell will go, I don’t expect the Labour Party to return to sanity.

Failure this time will lead Momentum to conclude that Corbyn and McDonnell simply weren’t left enough.

And didn't explain their wonderful policies to the people well enough. A failure of communication rather than their policies.

[A Winner Is You]

Has there ever been a leader of a major party who hates his own country as much as this man?

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/119911874818937...

[JagLover]

Chief Rabbi pointing out today how much of a tw*t Corbyn is.

[anonymous-user]

JagLover said:

Chief Rabbi pointing out today how much of a tw*t Corbyn is.

Not good for corbyn

Labour MPs on tv constantly struggle to defend corbyn’s leadership especially his lack of action on the anti anti Semitic stuff.

Labour and even corbyn must know he’s holding the party back.

Hopefully the GE will go badly for them and he’ll be replaced by a credible alternative and we'll have a functional opposition again.

[vaud]

A Winner Is You said:

Has there ever been a leader of a major party who hates his own country as much as this man?

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/119911874818937...

While I hate to say it, he has a point. At school "The Empire", when mentioned was painted in a very positive light "sun never set on the flag", etc and all the wonderful things the British did (railways, law, schools, etc) and hence only told half the story.

History is written by the winners, but a more balanced narrative might be of value in education.

[cml24]

I seem to remember learning a lot about the slave trade!

Some more general history (good and bad of course) on British history might be useful.

I learnt about medicine and Germany between 1919 and 1933, I'd have been more interested in British history and things I could have visited I think.