This a*se should be arrested
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What level of swell/wind do the surfing experts on here think are out of bounds?
I surf/sail/SUP and actually abandoned a planned trip yesterday because it was too big for me. Definitely not too big for a better surfer.
Storms can often generate superb conditions. This guy got it wrong ultimately, but it can happen to anyone.
I surf/sail/SUP and actually abandoned a planned trip yesterday because it was too big for me. Definitely not too big for a better surfer.
Storms can often generate superb conditions. This guy got it wrong ultimately, but it can happen to anyone.
Andy20vt said:
TeamD said:
So everyone has to risk their lives to save him from his own selfish stupidity?
Excuse my ignorance but isn't this what the volunteer RNLI crews sign up and train extensively for, you know, putting out to sea in dangerous conditions to rescue someone in danger and that sort of thing?The RNLI had advised people to "stay clear of exposed areas and breaking waves" during the storm.
He didn't.
Like the Go Compare advert, you never know what's around the corner.
But you do know when you've been f. told what's around the corner!
Driver101 said:
Andy20vt said:
TeamD said:
So everyone has to risk their lives to save him from his own selfish stupidity?
Excuse my ignorance but isn't this what the volunteer RNLI crews sign up and train extensively for, you know, putting out to sea in dangerous conditions to rescue someone in danger and that sort of thing?You think it's fair for people to go out and take unnecessary, unreasonable and plain stupid risks it's ok as you have to expect other people to risk their lives to bail you out?
That's some logic lacking of any responsibility.
dandarez said:
Yep! But not when they issue warnings, as they did in this case.
The RNLI had advised people to "stay clear of exposed areas and breaking waves" during the storm.
He didn't.
Yes the RNLI can offer advice but thankfully in this free world they cannot dictate to someone what they can and can't do. Then again maybe this guy didn't hear the advice in any case and thought he'd be okay? Perhaps he was a skilled surfer and had been out in conditions similar to this before several times without incident, getting unlucky and loosing his board this time? Or perhaps it was a grave and regretful error of judgement? Only him and the RNLI know this. The RNLI had advised people to "stay clear of exposed areas and breaking waves" during the storm.
He didn't.
Regardless, you need to remember that what may seem daft and reckless to an armchair critic might not be quite so daft and reckless to a person with a different skill set.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 9th February 23:12
Andy20vt said:
Driver101 said:
Andy20vt said:
TeamD said:
So everyone has to risk their lives to save him from his own selfish stupidity?
Excuse my ignorance but isn't this what the volunteer RNLI crews sign up and train extensively for, you know, putting out to sea in dangerous conditions to rescue someone in danger and that sort of thing?You think it's fair for people to go out and take unnecessary, unreasonable and plain stupid risks it's ok as you have to expect other people to risk their lives to bail you out?
That's some logic lacking of any responsibility.
Yes I understand what they train for. However, I'm sure they hope people don't take stupid risks. They are the last barrier and everything should be put in place to not require the last resort.
I fail to understand why you can't grasp that and require to sink to keyboard warrior nonsense.
Andy20vt said:
Regardless, you need to remember that what may seems daft and reckless to an armchair critic might not be quite so daft and reckless to a person with a different skill set.
From an aviation perspective, I've always tried to adhere to the adage that a pilot with superlative handling skills may be able to resolve a situation where those with lesser handling skills may fail, but those with better judgement skills would avoid getting into that situation in the first place. I have hurled aeroplanes around the sky in any attitude you would care to mention, but I wouldn't have been doing it today.Regardless of this chap's surfing skills, the fact that he put someone else's life at risk implies a massive failure of judgement.
Edited by eharding on Sunday 9th February 23:26
eharding said:
Regardless of this chap's surfing skills, then fact that he put someone else's life at risk implies a massive failure of judgement.
He has made a mistake sure, but he hasn't put anyone else's life at risk. The RNLI crew have made an assessment of the situation and of the conditions and decided that it is perfectly within their capability (equipment and training) to go and rescue him. If this incident wasn't within their safe operating capacity them they'd have stayed ashore. In their own twitter feed the RNLI say in direct response to this incident that: "our lifeboat crew receive the best training and lifeboats, to withstand these types of conditions".
It's what the RNLI do. It's what the crew sign up for and train for, and I believe the publicity surrounding this incident has already caused a huge spike RNLI donations already. So far it's a 'win, win' situation for them.
Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
Regardless of this chap's surfing skills, then fact that he put someone else's life at risk implies a massive failure of judgement.
He has made a mistake sure, but he hasn't put anyone else's life at risk. The RNLI crew have made an assessment of the situation and of the conditions and decided that it is perfectly within their capability (equipment and training) to go and rescue him. If this incident wasn't within their safe operating capacity them they'd have stayed ashore. In their own twitter feed the RNLI say in direct response to this incident that: "our lifeboat crew receive the best training and lifeboats, to withstand these types of conditions".
It's what the RNLI do. It's what the crew sign up for and train for, and I believe the publicity surrounding this incident has already caused a huge spike RNLI donations already. So far it's a 'win, win' situation for them.
But the very near capsize of the boat on the way to find this idiot doesn't seem to have been within a comfortable capability.
I have nothing but the highest respect for the RNLI crew, and nothing but despair for the d
head who caused them to be there, and, apparently, those who want to try and justify his actions here.Mojooo said:
Fair play to those that volunteer to save others but I;d be fuming if I had to save that prick
That 'prick' as you call him didn't get rescued but managed to save himself and swum five miles along the coast to shore. That's some pretty epic feat I'd say!Mojooo said:
Fair enough on a normal day but today was not normal
What would you define as normal conditions then? What should the criteria be (in your opinion) where people either shouldn't be out at sea and/or shouldn't be rescued?Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 10th February 00:02
eharding said:
But the very near capsize of the boat on the way to find this idiot doesn't seem to have been within a comfortable capability.
Are you aware that most RNLI lifeboats including this one are designed to capsize without problem and then to automatically self right again? It's operating in conditions well within it's capability there.eharding said:
I have nothing but the highest respect for the RNLI crew, and nothing but despair for the dhead who caused them to be there, and, apparently, those who want to try and justify his actions here.
The RNLI chose to go and rescue him, he did not chose to be rescued. In fact he managed to rescue himself.head who caused them to be there, and, apparently, those who want to try and justify his actions here.Do you propose we ban these guys too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFtSf1tfzZk
Where would you suggest we draw the line when it comes to sea based activities?
Andy20vt said:
eharding said:
Regardless of this chap's surfing skills, then fact that he put someone else's life at risk implies a massive failure of judgement.
He has made a mistake sure, but he hasn't put anyone else's life at risk. The RNLI crew have made an assessment of the situation and of the conditions and decided that it is perfectly within their capability (equipment and training) to go and rescue him. If this incident wasn't within their safe operating capacity them they'd have stayed ashore. In their own twitter feed the RNLI say in direct response to this incident that: "our lifeboat crew receive the best training and lifeboats, to withstand these types of conditions".
It's what the RNLI do. It's what the crew sign up for and train for, and I believe the publicity surrounding this incident has already caused a huge spike RNLI donations already. So far it's a 'win, win' situation for them.
t who decided to ignore the heavily publicised extreme weather warnings does not mean that it was a risk free endeavour. The RLNI has lost many volunteers who put themselves in harms way. Individuals ought to exercise common sense. Taking a board and a wetsuit out in 80 mile winds in February might be a exhilarating but unless he signs some kind of waiver he is intentionally putting other lives at risk.
The video of RNLI Hastings attempting to get a boat out to find him is stupid scary. What a Dick.
https://metro.co.uk/video/lifeboat-struggles-heavy...
Andy20vt said:
Mojooo said:
Fair play to those that volunteer to save others but I;d be fuming if I had to save that prick
That 'prick' as you call him didn't get rescued but managed to save himself and swum five miles along the coast to shore. That's some pretty epic feat I'd say!That he, absolutely, put others lives at risk is inexcusable.
That you think this is somehow an epic feat is....I can't explain.
Have you suffered some form of surfing-related head injury in the past?
eharding said:
That he, absolutely, put others lives at risk is inexcusable.
He didn't put other's lives at risk - the RNLI chose to perform a search for him that was well withing their capability.The crew said themselves about the incident that "it's what they do". I dare say they probably relished the opportunity to put all of their training into practice. Didn't sound like any big deal to them but somehow it is a big deal to someone who wasn't involved, sat on a sofa and typing on here!
Ridgemont said:
The RLNI has lost many volunteers who put themselves in harms way.
Sadly it has but those are the risks they knowingly sign up for and also why it tales a brave, selfless and special kind of person to volunteer as lifeboat crew.Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 10th February 00:16
eharding said:
Andy20vt said:
Where would you suggest we draw the line when it comes to sea based activities?
In an ideal world, where suicidal feckwits like this could have some form of "Do Not Rescue" transponder attached.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff