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La Liga said:
If the Met's Professional Standards have been through it and said the actions of the police were sound, then I'm fairly confident that'll be the case.
It might be the case that the MET's PSD is exemplary in its impartiality. But, speaking as someone who is dealing with that department in another force, I don't share your confidence that PSD will be rigorous and unbiased in its findings.That's no comment upon the original incident, by the way.
wjb said:
La Liga said:
wjb said:
La Liga said:
as that happened here or is that whataboutism?
I've been stopped well over 50 times mate.I'll leave you to it.
As I wrote, the fact it's been looked at by the Met's PSD who've released a statement suggests that the stop was fine and the police were right.
That may not be the case, but given the subject matter I imagine they've been rather thorough.
Louis Balfour said:
La Liga said:
If the Met's Professional Standards have been through it and said the actions of the police were sound, then I'm fairly confident that'll be the case.
It might be the case that the MET's PSD is exemplary in its impartiality. But, speaking as someone who is dealing with that department in another force, I don't share your confidence that PSD will be rigorous and unbiased in its findings.That's no comment upon the original incident, by the way.
Troubleatmill said:
Given the car had illegally tinted windows....( so you can't see the people in the car )... how did our protagonist get to the point of "We were stopped because we are black!'
You were stopped because:
1/ Driving like a dick.
2/ Illegally tinted windows.
No breath or drugs test for the manner of driving or action taken in relation to the fail to stop and tints? I suspect theyd never have got those offences homeYou were stopped because:
1/ Driving like a dick.
2/ Illegally tinted windows.
wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
A valid question, but needs qualifying. Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Do all black, rather than BAME, people get stopped multiple times for only being in a public place.
A reason has to be offered and recorded.
What happened after the stop?
Do the police have the resources to act this way?
Can you clarify.
L1OFF said:
It's a setup and doesn't ring true. I saw a longer video than that this one on the BBC (surprise?) , which shows views behind and at the side of the car prior to the stop. Too many police for a normal stop including a sergeant.
Hardly, Edited by L1OFF on Monday 6th July 15:23
They were stopped by a TSG unit.
The standard complement of a carrier is One Sergeant and Seven PC’s
One in three Carriers also carries an Inspector
Drive it fix it repeat said:
Police have the right to pull you up and have a word with more or less no reason. I dont have a problem with that. Shouldn't matter if you are black, white, red or silver, I'm getting fed up of the racist card being played at every opportunity regardless of circumstance. If I were driving a car with tinted windows, on the wrong side of the road and then didnt immediately stop when requested to guess what they may be displeased and decide to have a chat. Sounds like they had a s
tty attitude.
I agree. Don't have illegally tinted windows , wtty attitude. ky registration plate font , or drive like a dick if you don't want to attract attention . Then when stopped don't be a ttEarthdweller said:
L1OFF said:
It's a setup and doesn't ring true. I saw a longer video than that this one on the BBC (surprise?) , which shows views behind and at the side of the car prior to the stop. Too many police for a normal stop including a sergeant.
Hardly, Edited by L1OFF on Monday 6th July 15:23
They were stopped by a TSG unit.
The standard complement of a carrier is One Sergeant and Seven PC’s
One in three Carriers also carries an Inspector
wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
If you owned a modified car in the late 90s you'll know modded car owners got stopped loads! I certainly did. I made damn sure my car was legal, so no dodgy tints (ironically!), correct number plate spacing/font etc, no decat and so forth. I missed my nieces Christening because of a stop and whilst I was fuming inside I was nothing but polite to the officers who stopped me because I knew that was the best thing I could do to get on my way quickly. I was also stopped on my way to a job interview, again I was late for it (though I did get the job after explaining I was stopped!). Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
It is (was it more accurate nowadays!) annoying, yes. If they were stopped for the colour of their skin that is a huge issue and disgraceful, if they were stopped for the manner of their driving; there's no issue.
Edited by dasbimmerowner on Monday 6th July 15:51
Edited by dasbimmerowner on Monday 6th July 15:53
Bigends said:
No breath or drugs test for the manner of driving or action taken in relation to the fail to stop and tints? I suspect theyd never have got those offences home
They were stopped by the Met’s specialist level one public order unit They won’t carry ESD’s nor tintman and I’d imagine have zero interest in traffic matters
L1OFF said:
Earthdweller said:
L1OFF said:
It's a setup and doesn't ring true. I saw a longer video than that this one on the BBC (surprise?) , which shows views behind and at the side of the car prior to the stop. Too many police for a normal stop including a sergeant.
Hardly, Edited by L1OFF on Monday 6th July 15:23
They were stopped by a TSG unit.
The standard complement of a carrier is One Sergeant and Seven PC’s
One in three Carriers also carries an Inspector
La Liga said:
wjb said:
La Liga said:
wjb said:
La Liga said:
as that happened here or is that whataboutism?
I've been stopped well over 50 times mate.I'll leave you to it.
As I wrote, the fact it's been looked at by the Met's PSD who've released a statement suggests that the stop was fine and the police were right.
That may not be the case, but given the subject matter I imagine they've been rather thorough.
Louis Balfour said:
La Liga said:
If the Met's Professional Standards have been through it and said the actions of the police were sound, then I'm fairly confident that'll be the case.
It might be the case that the MET's PSD is exemplary in its impartiality. But, speaking as someone who is dealing with that department in another force, I don't share your confidence that PSD will be rigorous and unbiased in its findings.That's no comment upon the original incident, by the way.
Earthdweller said:
L1OFF said:
Earthdweller said:
L1OFF said:
It's a setup and doesn't ring true. I saw a longer video than that this one on the BBC (surprise?) , which shows views behind and at the side of the car prior to the stop. Too many police for a normal stop including a sergeant.
Hardly, Edited by L1OFF on Monday 6th July 15:23
They were stopped by a TSG unit.
The standard complement of a carrier is One Sergeant and Seven PC’s
One in three Carriers also carries an Inspector
wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Everyone has their own response to this, however in this example it's irrelevant as the woman in the car stated: "I've never had to experience anything like this"Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
A few years back I had a job which involved finishing work at 3am maybe 4am and then driving out of a city and through three counties to get home
A mix of city streets, motorways and country/town roads
At the time I had an Audi A4 Quattro
I was probably stopped three or four times a month at various points along the route. A couple of times I’ve been stopped twice on the same journey. I guarantee if I saw a cop car on the empty roads you could almost guarantee a pull. In fact I was more surprised if I saw one and didn’t get a pull
I was always polite, questioning was pretty much always the same .. is this your car, where do you live, where are you going/ where have you come from etc .. and we’ve stopped you because it’s a nice car and lots of these get stolen etc
Never had an issue, my car was taxed/insured/roadworthy I wasn’t committing any offences
There’s an easy way and a hard way.
I just accepted it as a fact of life and I don’t have an issue with the Police stopping me.
Pretty much all the encounters were over within a couple of minutes. Presumably they’d checked the car before stopping me .. a few times I was asked for ID. If I was I showed my licence same name and address as car registered too
Mostly it was just a quick chat and I was away
I could have been an arse .. but, why ?
A mix of city streets, motorways and country/town roads
At the time I had an Audi A4 Quattro
I was probably stopped three or four times a month at various points along the route. A couple of times I’ve been stopped twice on the same journey. I guarantee if I saw a cop car on the empty roads you could almost guarantee a pull. In fact I was more surprised if I saw one and didn’t get a pull
I was always polite, questioning was pretty much always the same .. is this your car, where do you live, where are you going/ where have you come from etc .. and we’ve stopped you because it’s a nice car and lots of these get stolen etc
Never had an issue, my car was taxed/insured/roadworthy I wasn’t committing any offences
There’s an easy way and a hard way.
I just accepted it as a fact of life and I don’t have an issue with the Police stopping me.
Pretty much all the encounters were over within a couple of minutes. Presumably they’d checked the car before stopping me .. a few times I was asked for ID. If I was I showed my licence same name and address as car registered too
Mostly it was just a quick chat and I was away
I could have been an arse .. but, why ?
Earthdweller said:
A few years back I had a job which involved finishing work at 3am maybe 4am and then driving out of a city and through three counties to get home
A mix of city streets, motorways and country/town roads
At the time I had an Audi A4 Quattro
I was probably stopped three or four times a month at various points along the route. A couple of times I’ve been stopped twice on the same journey. I guarantee if I saw a cop car on the empty roads you could almost guarantee a pull. In fact I was more surprised if I saw one and didn’t get a pull
I was always polite, questioning was pretty much always the same .. is this your car, where do you live, where are you going/ where have you come from etc .. and we’ve stopped you because it’s a nice car and lots of these get stolen etc
Never had an issue, my car was taxed/insured/roadworthy I wasn’t committing any offences
There’s an easy way and a hard way.
I just accepted it as a fact of life and I don’t have an issue with the Police stopping me.
Pretty much all the encounters were over within a couple of minutes. Presumably they’d checked the car before stopping me .. a few times I was asked for ID. If I was I showed my licence same name and address as car registered too
Mostly it was just a quick chat and I was away
I could have been an arse .. but, why ?
Totally different situation to the one posted here. Were they subject of a 40 minute drugs / weapons search because he was an arse then? They were coming out of that car and finishing up in cuffs regardless of what he saidA mix of city streets, motorways and country/town roads
At the time I had an Audi A4 Quattro
I was probably stopped three or four times a month at various points along the route. A couple of times I’ve been stopped twice on the same journey. I guarantee if I saw a cop car on the empty roads you could almost guarantee a pull. In fact I was more surprised if I saw one and didn’t get a pull
I was always polite, questioning was pretty much always the same .. is this your car, where do you live, where are you going/ where have you come from etc .. and we’ve stopped you because it’s a nice car and lots of these get stolen etc
Never had an issue, my car was taxed/insured/roadworthy I wasn’t committing any offences
There’s an easy way and a hard way.
I just accepted it as a fact of life and I don’t have an issue with the Police stopping me.
Pretty much all the encounters were over within a couple of minutes. Presumably they’d checked the car before stopping me .. a few times I was asked for ID. If I was I showed my licence same name and address as car registered too
Mostly it was just a quick chat and I was away
I could have been an arse .. but, why ?
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