Refugees / Asylum seekers crossing the channel
Discussion
I watched a YouTube video in one of the hotels, they spoke to one of the residents
Q where are you from ?
A Kurdistan
Q why are you here ?
A I’m waiting for a house
Is that the expectation and how does it translate to the reality and compare to other countries
Certainly if that is the expectation/reality then it is likely to be a big driver for the migrants
Q where are you from ?
A Kurdistan
Q why are you here ?
A I’m waiting for a house
Is that the expectation and how does it translate to the reality and compare to other countries
Certainly if that is the expectation/reality then it is likely to be a big driver for the migrants
StevieBee said:
Earthdweller said:
There are third generation immigrant British citizens that do not speak English
I would be interested to see what evidence exists to support this - particularly as to acquire citizenship you are required to speak English.Certainly in my home town it’s fairly common and within certain areas of the town English is hardly spoken and many live their lives within that area and have no need for English
Earthdweller said:
StevieBee said:
Earthdweller said:
There are third generation immigrant British citizens that do not speak English
I would be interested to see what evidence exists to support this - particularly as to acquire citizenship you are required to speak English.Certainly in my home town it’s fairly common and within certain areas of the town English is hardly spoken and many live their lives within that area and have no need for English
hyphen said:
Earthdweller said:
There are third generation immigrant British citizens that do not speak English
Not many of them surely, seeing as schooling is compulsory...Most will have English, but some don’t and within parts of the town English is hardly spoken
It’s a minority that don’t attend mainstream schools but the numbers have been increasing in recent years
Earthdweller said:
StevieBee said:
Earthdweller said:
There are third generation immigrant British citizens that do not speak English
I would be interested to see what evidence exists to support this - particularly as to acquire citizenship you are required to speak English.Certainly in my home town it’s fairly common and within certain areas of the town English is hardly spoken and many live their lives within that area and have no need for English
Earthdweller said:
Yes it is, but schooling can be separate. It starts with the madrasahs, and then from infants right through boys and girls are separated and taught in religious schools, in Urdu not English
Most will have English, but some don’t and within parts of the town English is hardly spoken
It’s a minority that don’t attend mainstream schools but the numbers have been increasing in recent years
Just speaking from my personal experience it’s impossible to grow up in the UK and NOT speak English. Kids are exposed to it everywhere (schools, books, TV, music, internet). You’d literally have to be a hermit NOT to be able to speak English (even if you went to a “Madrassah”)Most will have English, but some don’t and within parts of the town English is hardly spoken
It’s a minority that don’t attend mainstream schools but the numbers have been increasing in recent years
FWIW my kids (3rd generation immigrants) find it harder to converse with Granddad and Grandma than a native English-speaker (scousers excepted).
Earthdweller said:
Yes it is, but schooling can be separate. It starts with the madrasahs, and then from infants right through boys and girls are separated and taught in religious schools, in Urdu not English
Most will have English, but some don’t and within parts of the town English is hardly spoken
It’s a minority that don’t attend mainstream schools but the numbers have been increasing in recent years
Out of interest what language do you think Religious schools teach in? Most will have English, but some don’t and within parts of the town English is hardly spoken
It’s a minority that don’t attend mainstream schools but the numbers have been increasing in recent years
Mr Tidy said:
I don't believe many of them speak English too fluently either, and some seem to come from places that have French as a 1st language but still don't want to stop in France!
Rochdale has more asylum seekers dumped there than anywhere else in the UK - more than the entire south east. A significant number of them speak French (it’s a very very weird dialect I can hardly understand and I’ve a degree in French and used to live there). The English language thing doesn’t wash with me.
It would be interesting to know what percentage of 'asylum seekers' are true victims and what percentage are migrants trying it on to get to the UK.
If, as many say, they are victimized in the EU, why does the EU keep up the appearance of civility when really they are a union of racist right wing thugs who will never investigate crimes against asylum seekers and are effectively driving them into moving on till they reach the UK?
If, as many say, they are victimized in the EU, why does the EU keep up the appearance of civility when really they are a union of racist right wing thugs who will never investigate crimes against asylum seekers and are effectively driving them into moving on till they reach the UK?
Countdown said:
Earthdweller said:
Yes it is, but schooling can be separate. It starts with the madrasahs, and then from infants right through boys and girls are separated and taught in religious schools, in Urdu not English
Most will have English, but some don’t and within parts of the town English is hardly spoken
It’s a minority that don’t attend mainstream schools but the numbers have been increasing in recent years
Out of interest what language do you think Religious schools teach in? Most will have English, but some don’t and within parts of the town English is hardly spoken
It’s a minority that don’t attend mainstream schools but the numbers have been increasing in recent years
When everyone followed the same creed it wasn’t that much of an issue, but in today’s world it is divisive
My primary school was probably a 1/4 Muslim when I went to it although it was CE
But now there are schools that are pretty much 100% white and others pretty much 100% Asian .. in the same town .. which can’t be right
I’m still friends with Asian lads I went to school with, when my son went to school in the town, a catholic school, there was one Asian lad in a primary school of 200 pupils Which doesn’t auger well for the future
Division in education sets up divisions for life
Earthdweller said:
Schooling should not be separate and should be secular
When everyone followed the same creed it wasn’t that much of an issue, but in today’s world it is divisive
My primary school was probably a 1/4 Muslim when I went to it although it was CE
But now there are schools that are pretty much 100% white and others pretty much 100% Asian .. in the same town .. which can’t be right
I’m still friends with Asian lads I went to school with, when my son went to school in the town, a catholic school, there was one Asian lad in a primary school of 200 pupils Which doesn’t auger well for the future
Division in education sets up divisions for life
I don’t disagree with any of that. However that wasn’t the question I asked When everyone followed the same creed it wasn’t that much of an issue, but in today’s world it is divisive
My primary school was probably a 1/4 Muslim when I went to it although it was CE
But now there are schools that are pretty much 100% white and others pretty much 100% Asian .. in the same town .. which can’t be right
I’m still friends with Asian lads I went to school with, when my son went to school in the town, a catholic school, there was one Asian lad in a primary school of 200 pupils Which doesn’t auger well for the future
Division in education sets up divisions for life
As a 1st/2nd generation immigrant I’d be stunned if anybody who had been in the UK since the age of 7 wasn’t fluent in English. If they crossed the Channel yesterday then it’s obviously a different matter
markcoznottz said:
PositronicRay said:
Easier to work and live, under the radar.
Bingo. Maybe the French don’t like getting thier cars washed and eating cheap takeaways?. If anyone did want to work long term in the shadow economy, wouldn't Greece/Spain/Italy etc be preferred? As they have huge tax dodging cultures.
markcoznottz said:
PositronicRay said:
Easier to work and live, under the radar.
Bingo. Maybe the French don’t like getting thier cars washed and eating cheap takeaways?. 
e. Now I have no issue with this emotions were high. What it showed is in Europe when push comes to shove they are much more willing to dispense with niceties. When the police left the area they were seen giving the finger to the locals an still shouting abuse. They were not all about integration and multi culturalism I suspect that might be more true an open in Europe than the UK.Earthdweller said:
...when my son went to school in the town, a catholic school, there was one Asian lad in a primary school of 200 pupils Which doesn’t auger well for the future
Division in education sets up divisions for life
Religious schools are a big cause of divide. As all the white/black parents go to church for a few weeks in order to get their kids in, and the asian/oriental kids go to the other school in town.Division in education sets up divisions for life
Countdown said:
I don’t disagree with any of that. However that wasn’t the question I asked
As a 1st/2nd generation immigrant I’d be stunned if anybody who had been in the UK since the age of 7 wasn’t fluent in English. If they crossed the Channel yesterday then it’s obviously a different matter
Fair enough, my religiously affiliated school taught in English, as do my kid’s As a 1st/2nd generation immigrant I’d be stunned if anybody who had been in the UK since the age of 7 wasn’t fluent in English. If they crossed the Channel yesterday then it’s obviously a different matter
However, the madrasah’s don’t and there have been serious concerns raised around the teaching in some Muslim schools which are supposed to follow the national curriculum, but clearly don’t
Having said that, some of the best performing schools ( for exam results ) are the single sex Muslim schools, such as the tauheedal Islamic girls school, which was previously a mixed state secondary.
Even so there are concerns about the “balanced” education being received, and the isolationist stance of the schools
The point I was making is that there is no need to speak English in parts of the country
The other thing to remember is that sometimes the perception is that 99% of immigrants pass through every other European country to come here. This isn't the case though, hundreds of thousands disappear into the black economies of Germany/France etc every year. Germany has a terrible problem with unregistered immigrant workers in some cities.
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