CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 16)
Discussion
Twinfan said:
I suspect the issue maybe that any modifications would require clinical trials and approval from FDA/MHRA etc, especially as only FDA has granted full licencing approval for the Pfizer vaccine in the US. All other vaccines and teritories are using the vaccine under emergency use approval. They can't move faster than the virus can.
What's the point in 'tweaking' the vax anyway? Millions of people here have had 2 shots + booster - if the vax needs tweaking in order to combat the Botswana/Nu strain, then all of it will have been for nought...Biker 1 said:
Twinfan said:
I suspect the issue maybe that any modifications would require clinical trials and approval from FDA/MHRA etc, especially as only FDA has granted full licencing approval for the Pfizer vaccine in the US. All other vaccines and teritories are using the vaccine under emergency use approval. They can't move faster than the virus can.
What's the point in 'tweaking' the vax anyway? Millions of people here have had 2 shots + booster - if the vax needs tweaking in order to combat the Botswana/Nu strain, then all of it will have been for nought...Discussion between pro and anti "restrict the unvaccinated " mediated by Mike Graham.
Ends with the pro side saying "being vaccinated reduces your risk of getting infected, and reduces your risk of passing it on". No opposition from the anti side
Spoiler alert, Pro side loses. MG not a very impartial referee
Rufus_stone said:
GMT13 said:
Let's talk logic then. Covid is a disease of the elderly, infirm and obese.
It isn't though. Every age contracts it. The fact that we have no data on long term affects of it doesn't mean there aren't any.Sound.
g4ry13 said:
Biker 1 said:
Twinfan said:
I suspect the issue maybe that any modifications would require clinical trials and approval from FDA/MHRA etc, especially as only FDA has granted full licencing approval for the Pfizer vaccine in the US. All other vaccines and teritories are using the vaccine under emergency use approval. They can't move faster than the virus can.
What's the point in 'tweaking' the vax anyway? Millions of people here have had 2 shots + booster - if the vax needs tweaking in order to combat the Botswana/Nu strain, then all of it will have been for nought...It's good to see that the Scientific gobs
tes (not wiishing to cause "unnecessary anxiety" apparently) are all out in force this morning on the media making clear that the new covid variant is the "most worrying yet" and making clear the need for the public to be ready for a "change" in restrictions. Of course, the "politics" demands that we have more red list madness (can't be too careful). Meanwhile the media are delighted - "if it bleeds it leads" - and the press is once more full of doom porn.
The NHS had a go at shutting down our society last month. This month it's the scientific community. Honestly, where does this madness end.
Remember, scare mongering scientists are for life, not just for Xmas, folks...
tes (not wiishing to cause "unnecessary anxiety" apparently) are all out in force this morning on the media making clear that the new covid variant is the "most worrying yet" and making clear the need for the public to be ready for a "change" in restrictions. Of course, the "politics" demands that we have more red list madness (can't be too careful). Meanwhile the media are delighted - "if it bleeds it leads" - and the press is once more full of doom porn. The NHS had a go at shutting down our society last month. This month it's the scientific community. Honestly, where does this madness end.
Remember, scare mongering scientists are for life, not just for Xmas, folks...
PurplePangolin said:
Depends if the Nu (world order) strain gets them this time
I suppose this is the doomsday scenario: vax ends up being useless against Nu. Then for a bit of tinfoil: side effects from vax only become apparent after xxx years, resulting in massive medical complications/deaths etc. Nu develops into something properly deadly & wipes out the remaining population.....
Or: Nu is actually the virus mutating into something far less deadly, eventually ending up akin to the common cold. Let's hope its the latter....
g4ry13 said:
The final volume this time? 
Absolutely no chance. The worldwide peaks are falling with every new peak. I'd say NEXT Christmas we might see half the numbers we're seeing now. But it will still be very much a thing. Luckily deaths are falling at a more promising rate.You only have to draw a line along those peaks to see how far out this could stretch!
Timothy Bucktu said:
Absolutely no chance. The worldwide peaks are falling with every new peak. I'd say NEXT Christmas we might see half the numbers we're seeing now. But it will still be very much a thing. Luckily deaths are falling at a more promising rate.
You only have to draw a line along those peaks to see how far out this could stretch!
I'm almost certain this thing will play out for at least a further two years. Being an unvaxxed swivel eyed virus 'survivor' loon, I guess that means pretty much no foreign travel for me any time soon.You only have to draw a line along those peaks to see how far out this could stretch!
Biker 1 said:
I'm almost certain this thing will play out for at least a further two years. Being an unvaxxed swivel eyed virus 'survivor' loon, I guess that means pretty much no foreign travel for me any time soon.
Same here _ booked a trip to South Africa back in March for October 22 thinking that surely by then would be all over.Now not as sure and Mrs BVD not happy either as 700 quid deposit may have gone.
Ever hopeful that by July when payment due may be clearer
Biker 1 said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
Absolutely no chance. The worldwide peaks are falling with every new peak. I'd say NEXT Christmas we might see half the numbers we're seeing now. But it will still be very much a thing. Luckily deaths are falling at a more promising rate.
You only have to draw a line along those peaks to see how far out this could stretch!
I'm almost certain this thing will play out for at least a further two years. Being an unvaxxed swivel eyed virus 'survivor' loon, I guess that means pretty much no foreign travel for me any time soon.You only have to draw a line along those peaks to see how far out this could stretch!
Even if I was triple/ quadruple/ quintuple / sextuple etc jabbed I don’t think foreign travel is worth the expense at the moment considering the s
tty subnormal experience you’ll get from start to finish.thewarlock said:
GMT13 said:
Let's talk logic then. Covid is a disease of the elderly, infirm and obese.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-...
97,516 deaths in English hospitals since Covid began and only 135 were in the 20-39 age bracket and considered 'healthy' (although this does not account for obesity and I'd wager if the stats were available you'd see a significant proportion of that 135 were obese).
Covid does not kill healthy footballers, it hasn't happened. The vaccines that are approved for this age group however have known heart related side effects. Youre right that it certainly needs to be looked at and you're definitely showing your bias.
It hasn't happened, yet.https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-...
97,516 deaths in English hospitals since Covid began and only 135 were in the 20-39 age bracket and considered 'healthy' (although this does not account for obesity and I'd wager if the stats were available you'd see a significant proportion of that 135 were obese).
Covid does not kill healthy footballers, it hasn't happened. The vaccines that are approved for this age group however have known heart related side effects. Youre right that it certainly needs to be looked at and you're definitely showing your bias.
But as has been pointed out, a number of those people we're talking about, are not actually vaccinnated.
Lots of jumping to conclusions going on around here, because it suits a certain narrative.
If the Nu variant does provide a bigger chance of vaccine escape, it will be interesting to see how that compares with the those that have had prior exposure, which you would assume is more complete as protection and less troubled by mutations, simply because their immune system has seen the whole of the virus before.
We could end up in the odd situation where those that are vaccinated but have no prior exposure are more of a risk to others compared with those that are unvaccinated but have recovered. Maybe bring in a system of "recovered passes" where the dangerous vaccianted are forced to stay at home, but the unvaccinated recovered people can go out and do as they please?
We could end up in the odd situation where those that are vaccinated but have no prior exposure are more of a risk to others compared with those that are unvaccinated but have recovered. Maybe bring in a system of "recovered passes" where the dangerous vaccianted are forced to stay at home, but the unvaccinated recovered people can go out and do as they please?
Expect to blast through a few volumes this winter then hopefully in spring 2022 everything starts to fade away as endemic get on with it. 
Muncher said:
We could end up in the odd situation where those that are vaccinated but have no prior exposure are more of a risk to others compared with those that are unvaccinated but have recovered.
I would argue that's the position we're in right now with Delta. Recovery from natural infection will always triumph, yet it's still being completely ignored.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff