CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 17)

CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 17)

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BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo

15,077 posts

170 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/20/en...

Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.

Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes

g3org3y

20,674 posts

192 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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jmflare said:
g3org3y said:
Am reposting this from the end of the previous volume for impact:



Source
Wow I was 100% convinced that was fake. Really kicking the two tier society up a notch over there.
From the horses mouth @ ~40 seconds here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?516805-1/president-b...

g3org3y

20,674 posts

192 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/20/en...

Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.

Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes
Dentists too it seems.

article said:
Compulsory Covid jabs ‘calamitous’ for dental services in England, says BDA
Thousands of dental staff will quit with ‘devastating consequences’ for patients, says dentists’ association

Dentists’ leaders have said mandatory jabs for healthcare staff will have a “calamitous” impact on dental services in England, as a survey revealed that one in 10 dentists have not been double-vaccinated.

MPs voted this week to approve regulations requiring NHS and social care staff to be vaccinated by April next year. All frontline health and care staff must be fully jabbed with two Covid-19 vaccines before 1 April or risk losing their jobs.

But the British Dental Association (BDA) said compulsory vaccination risked “dropping a bomb on a service already stretched to breaking point” because it meant that thousands of dental workers would quit. The mass exodus would have devastating consequences for millions of patients, it said.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/17/co...

21st Century Man

41,034 posts

249 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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Dagnir said:
I've asked this before but it seems appropriate again.


Why is the white house able to lie to it's citizens?


We all know there are lies in that statement and they were published to manipulate the public.


How/Why is there never any legal backlash for these things?
Much like MSM, Politicians and some of the Fact checkers. Perhaps it's just that nobody ever commences legal action, or if they do, the statement is retracted with an unequivocal correction and an apology that doesn't make the front page.

Elysium

13,913 posts

188 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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JagLover said:
This was very good and posted right at the end of the last thread

Heneghan said:
They seek to provide an illusion of certainty, often relying on frightening statistics, the result of which could be a perpetual cycle of lockdowns. After two years we cannot have more of the same. We cannot continue to ignore the harms and divisions caused by closing down society – the sickness and death on the other side of the Covid balance sheet – or the fact that those who suffer most from shutting the economy are the young and the poor.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10324747/PROFESSOR-CARL-HENEGHAN-Im-GP-frontline-dont-think-overwhelmed-Covid.html

"listen to the experts" they say. Which ones?, is it only those dedicated to the destruction of our old way of living we should be listening to?
Heneghan has been fantastic throughout this debacle.


mondeoman

11,430 posts

267 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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g3org3y said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/20/en...

Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.

Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes
Dentists too it seems.

article said:
Compulsory Covid jabs ‘calamitous’ for dental services in England, says BDA
Thousands of dental staff will quit with ‘devastating consequences’ for patients, says dentists’ association

Dentists’ leaders have said mandatory jabs for healthcare staff will have a “calamitous” impact on dental services in England, as a survey revealed that one in 10 dentists have not been double-vaccinated.

MPs voted this week to approve regulations requiring NHS and social care staff to be vaccinated by April next year. All frontline health and care staff must be fully jabbed with two Covid-19 vaccines before 1 April or risk losing their jobs.

But the British Dental Association (BDA) said compulsory vaccination risked “dropping a bomb on a service already stretched to breaking point” because it meant that thousands of dental workers would quit. The mass exodus would have devastating consequences for millions of patients, it said.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/17/co...
But we all know that merely being doubled jabbed means you arent vaccinated at all.

I want to know how many dentists are fully vaccinated, ie 1 + 2 + top-up + xmas booster. If it aint 4 shots, it doesn't count.

Square Leg

14,716 posts

190 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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g3org3y said:
jmflare said:
g3org3y said:
Am reposting this from the end of the previous volume for impact:



Source
Wow I was 100% convinced that was fake. Really kicking the two tier society up a notch over there.
From the horses mouth @ ~40 seconds here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?516805-1/president-b...
Reading that reminds me of this..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2n87YKSjrA

Brave Fart

5,786 posts

112 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes
I sense a hardening in attitude amongst the vaccinated to those who are not. On Naga Munchetty's "Your Call" this morning on 5 Live, there were several callers demanding restrictions for the unvaccinated. When she asked "what restrictions would you impose?", the answer was essentially house arrest. One caller insisted that you should have a covid passport to enter "any public place where there are other people". And if you haven't been vaccinated? "Tough. You'll stay at home until you comply."

Another thing I keep hearing is this: "any unvaccinated person who gets covid should be denied treatment."

Given that the virus will never vanish, and given that (per the ONS) over 98% of people have antibodies to covid in their blood, this mood swing to scapegoat the "filthy unvaxxed" is a very dangerous and unpleasant trend. I really hope it is limited to a few nutjobs. Including, I might add, Andrew Neil.

tigamilla

507 posts

81 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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g3org3y said:
jmflare said:
g3org3y said:
Am reposting this from the end of the previous volume for impact:



Source
Wow I was 100% convinced that was fake. Really kicking the two tier society up a notch over there.
From the horses mouth @ ~40 seconds here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?516805-1/president-b...
Actual mis-information directly from the mouth of the US president to Americans. Wow.

Slippydiff

14,895 posts

224 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/20/en...

Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.

Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought the MSM, Pratt Hancock, Savage Jarhead, Boris and the NHS management would have liked us to believe.
Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes
FTFY smile

tigamilla

507 posts

81 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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Brave Fart said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes
I sense a hardening in attitude amongst the vaccinated to those who are not. On Naga Munchetty's "Your Call" this morning on 5 Live, there were several callers demanding restrictions for the unvaccinated. When she asked "what restrictions would you impose?", the answer was essentially house arrest. One caller insisted that you should have a covid passport to enter "any public place where there are other people". And if you haven't been vaccinated? "Tough. You'll stay at home until you comply."

Another thing I keep hearing is this: "any unvaccinated person who gets covid should be denied treatment."

Given that the virus will never vanish, and given that (per the ONS) over 98% of people have antibodies to covid in their blood, this mood swing to scapegoat the "filthy unvaxxed" is a very dangerous and unpleasant trend. I really hope it is limited to a few nutjobs. Including, I might add, Andrew Neil.
Luckily most Brits don't think that way from what I have seen. The comments on Andrew Neil's Daily Mail article last week were overwhelmingly against what he was advocating. Most people now seem to understand that vax passports wouldn't do anything to stem the disease as vaccinated can still pass it on and get it themselves - as Europe is showing us.


J210

4,542 posts

184 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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Cabinet meeting at 2...



superlightr

12,867 posts

264 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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g3org3y said:
jmflare said:
g3org3y said:
Am reposting this from the end of the previous volume for impact:



Source
Wow I was 100% convinced that was fake. Really kicking the two tier society up a notch over there.
From the horses mouth @ ~40 seconds here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?516805-1/president-b...
https://youtu.be/omrVpA14FpY Reposting the video as it is so funny but direct and to the point as to what the Govt is saying yet is nonsense.

remember double lifejacket up.

V1nce Fox

5,508 posts

69 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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Iirc buried somewhere on the govt website isn’t there an end to self exemption status due around xmas day?

vixen1700

23,152 posts

271 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/20/en...

Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.

Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes
Cheers for the link, I've asked a very vocal (ie a total ) poster on another board his thoughts on this. An NHS worker apparently.

bigee

1,485 posts

239 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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J210 said:
Cabinet meeting at 2...
Will Boris the brave prevail? Stories of the big hitters in cabinet are against more restrictions, but of course that could be merely positioning themselves for their own futures.....the truth of the matter is that 'if' this virus is as transmissible as Sage say then it is already too late to prevent anything ( but of course causing more damage with the measures as well as ultimately the same virus damage)
Basically, grow some balls Boris ! We know you know how to use them....

M1AGM

2,382 posts

33 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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mondeoman said:
g3org3y said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/20/en...

Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.

Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes
Dentists too it seems.

article said:
Compulsory Covid jabs ‘calamitous’ for dental services in England, says BDA
Thousands of dental staff will quit with ‘devastating consequences’ for patients, says dentists’ association

Dentists’ leaders have said mandatory jabs for healthcare staff will have a “calamitous” impact on dental services in England, as a survey revealed that one in 10 dentists have not been double-vaccinated.

MPs voted this week to approve regulations requiring NHS and social care staff to be vaccinated by April next year. All frontline health and care staff must be fully jabbed with two Covid-19 vaccines before 1 April or risk losing their jobs.

But the British Dental Association (BDA) said compulsory vaccination risked “dropping a bomb on a service already stretched to breaking point” because it meant that thousands of dental workers would quit. The mass exodus would have devastating consequences for millions of patients, it said.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/17/co...
But we all know that merely being doubled jabbed means you arent vaccinated at all.

I want to know how many dentists are fully vaccinated, ie 1 + 2 + top-up + xmas booster. If it aint 4 shots, it doesn't count.
No no no. There is absolutely nothing to be worrying about here. Obviously the government have had impact assessment studies carried out, along with studies into alternative covid mitigation options, and have concluded the right policy is no jab no job, that gives the overall best outcome for the overall health of the general public. No way they have just come up with a no jab no job policy without carefully considering the implications. Calm down and carry on eh?

richardxjr

7,561 posts

211 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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So is all this Get Boosted Now relentless bks, mostly about desperately trying to persuade NHS staff and carers to get with the programme?

Otherwise there will have to be a big ole u-turn come April.

I'm not NHS but the more they push this st and try and make 'us' the enemy, the more entrenched I become.

Slippydiff

14,895 posts

224 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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From the previous thread :

Dagnir said:
What I don't understand is how there are people that still don't see through it yet. We're surrounded by it.


How? How can people not see the constant lies, twisting of words and utterly blatant manipulation of figures?

It hurts my head trying comprehend how people still don't see it.
Well ..

Firstly, how long have you got ?

and secondly, where to start ..



anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 20th December 2021
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Slippydiff said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/20/en...

Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.

Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought the MSM, Pratt Hancock, Savage Jarhead, Boris and the NHS management would have liked us to believe.
Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media rolleyes
FTFY smile
http://nhs100k.com/


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