London ULEZ expansion is going ahead
Discussion
s1962a said:
megaphone said:
Yes lots of owners with 'classic' cars and toys will be caught, my mate has a 2002 XJR, he will have to sell or pay the fee for the twice a month he uses it.
Is it a petrol? I checked and looks like a 2001 XJR is ulez exempt, so your mate won't have to pay it. Lucky sod!Edited by megaphone on Friday 25th November 13:28
megaphone said:
Cotty said:
Looks like I will be putting my 1992 BMW up for sale early next year. Im in Greater London, zone 6 and never drive into central London.
The problem is people just outside of the new zone are not going to drive into the zone to use the shops etc that are in the zone.
At the end of the day its just a cash grab, it has nothing to do with air quality. If it was then he could just prevent the so called polluting cars entering the current zone. Paying £12.50 does not make the car pollute less.
Yes lots of owners with 'classic' cars and toys will be caught, my mate has a 2002 XJR, he will have to sell or pay the fee for the twice a month he uses it. The problem is people just outside of the new zone are not going to drive into the zone to use the shops etc that are in the zone.
At the end of the day its just a cash grab, it has nothing to do with air quality. If it was then he could just prevent the so called polluting cars entering the current zone. Paying £12.50 does not make the car pollute less.
TCX said:
megaphone said:
Cotty said:
Looks like I will be putting my 1992 BMW up for sale early next year. Im in Greater London, zone 6 and never drive into central London.
The problem is people just outside of the new zone are not going to drive into the zone to use the shops etc that are in the zone.
At the end of the day its just a cash grab, it has nothing to do with air quality. If it was then he could just prevent the so called polluting cars entering the current zone. Paying £12.50 does not make the car pollute less.
Yes lots of owners with 'classic' cars and toys will be caught, my mate has a 2002 XJR, he will have to sell or pay the fee for the twice a month he uses it. The problem is people just outside of the new zone are not going to drive into the zone to use the shops etc that are in the zone.
At the end of the day its just a cash grab, it has nothing to do with air quality. If it was then he could just prevent the so called polluting cars entering the current zone. Paying £12.50 does not make the car pollute less.
JagLover said:
Cotty said:
Bexley, Bromley, Croydon, Kingston upon Thames and Sutton don't even have Tube stations.
You can add far larger areas of South London to that. In most of it all you have is train stations and buses. The bus routes are better than in many other areas of the country but it still isn't brilliant to rely on. Plenty of people in the outer boroughs as well who bought their cars a long time ago and can't necessarily afford to replace them. 
dogbucket said:
I dont get a vote who is Major because I live outside London, however this effects my place of work.
Those who responded to the public consultation and opposed the expansion were dismissed by the Major as some sort of organized group whose opinions did not count.
And yes I run a perfectly good high mileage euro 5 diesel (owned for 6 years) that will now have to be replaced and no doubt be worth buttons now.
Sell it up north where no one will care. Those who responded to the public consultation and opposed the expansion were dismissed by the Major as some sort of organized group whose opinions did not count.
And yes I run a perfectly good high mileage euro 5 diesel (owned for 6 years) that will now have to be replaced and no doubt be worth buttons now.
megaphone said:
Yes lots of owners with 'classic' cars and toys will be caught, my mate has a 2002 XJR, he will have to sell or pay the fee for the twice a month he uses it.
My 1969 Volvo Amazon is exempt and I drive it in the ULEZ zone where I live most days. If I go West into London I always take public transport.My five litre TVR doesn't get much use though these days, to be fair.
Edited by vixen1700 on Friday 25th November 14:04
vixen1700 said:
megaphone said:
Yes lots of owners with 'classic' cars and toys will be caught, my mate has a 2002 XJR, he will have to sell or pay the fee for the twice a month he uses it.
My 1969 Volvo Amazon is exempt and I drive it in the ULEZ zone where I live most days. If I go West into London I always take public transport.My five litre TVR doesn't get much use though these days, to be fair.
Edited by vixen1700 on Friday 25th November 14:04
Edited by megaphone on Friday 25th November 14:20
This was always going to happen at some point, did anyone expect it not to? Most people I know got rid of their non compliant diesels several years ago.
There are plenty of great petrol engined cars from the early 2000's that are ULEZ compliant and a lot more fun than any shi**y diesel.
There are plenty of great petrol engined cars from the early 2000's that are ULEZ compliant and a lot more fun than any shi**y diesel.
megaphone said:
He checked it on the site a while back, ETA you may be right, he's checking again,
It's mostly diesels. Petrol cars with an O2 sensor and cat seem to get through - bikes only have to get through Euro 3. I'm no fan of our Mayor but neither am I fan of smelly diesels - though I accept it's probably a fund-raiser disguised as environmental concern. I know London buses were converted to Euro 6 but has anyone managed to make their classic car compliant (and how much would it cost)?Edited by fido on Friday 25th November 15:09
megaphone said:
Turkeys and Christmas.
There was a public consultation sham. The thing is it is the poor and those on low incomes that will suffer the most, people who likely voted him in.
Indeed, the old public consolation joke.There was a public consultation sham. The thing is it is the poor and those on low incomes that will suffer the most, people who likely voted him in.
This is how they work:
If the public agrees with the proposal then the council/Local authority/whatever says "See, the public agrees with our policy, so we are now going to implement it"
But if the public does not agree with the proposal then the council/Local authority/whatever says "The public are wrong and/or too stupid to understand the question, so their view is not relevant. So we are now going to implement it regardless"
cc3 said:
Expect a legal challenge I doubt he has the authority to do this
I know it's a shock, a politician doing what he said he would do if he got voted in, but I don't see why he doesn't have the authority. What happened to all this Brexity "will of the people" stuff. It seems the right are up in arms over this, but they love all that "will of the people" shtick. I don't know what they are moaning about. TwigtheWonderkid said:
cc3 said:
Expect a legal challenge I doubt he has the authority to do this
I know it's a shock, a politician doing what he said he would do if he got voted in, but I don't see why he doesn't have the authority. What happened to all this Brexity "will of the people" stuff. It seems the right are up in arms over this, but they love all that "will of the people" shtick. I don't know what they are moaning about. 
tty diesels off the roads I say 
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