Penny Mordaunt - PM for PM
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
They've always been that way, though, at least since the days of Heath. Thatcher split the party. She had the lowest rating of any tory PM up until the Falklands. The same tories who were calling for her expulsion before were the ones who wanted her beatified. The point is that the factions are not as a result of different beliefs in the fundamentals; it's in power blocks. They struggle for their own advantage. Mogg et al want authority to do what some of those factions they are fighting want as well. Bizarre. Labour's divisions are as a result of wanting to be more left wing/centrist. I used to think that was more difficult to unify. Not so sure now.
Might be a simplification, but the Tories never had a credible threat (in the form of an organised party) from the right wing until recent times, while Labour have been looking over their shoulder for years. I wouldn’t rule out the role of a largely right wing press either, eager to highlight divisions within Labour while presenting the Tories as united. It’s become a lot harder to play that card, added to which the current administration has clearly lost the undivided support of their biggest cheerleader, The Telegraph. Crippo said:
The trouble with the Tories is that they don’t know why they exist anymore. They are so split into many factions all viewing for power that swapping from one leader to another just puts this disunity on display to the electorate. We look at them and think even though we think we are fairly conservative as a Country we can’t trust you to be Conservative because we don’t know what kind of Conservatives are going to be in power for the 12 months until you change tack…yet again…so reallly what’s the point…go away and properly sort yourselves out.
I'm not sure the Tory party isn't terminally internally split. So, they really need to properly physically split into the moderate 'light blue' conservatives (that would comfortably win a general election in normal times), versus the 'deep blue' right wing fanatics that forced through Brexit and continuously punch above their weight. In the same way as Corbyn's loony left momentum faction screwed things up so royally for Labour, this loony right wing faction within the Tories is a boil that needs lancing. Once that evolution has taken place we will have some normality return. I actually blame Boris for riding the anti-Corbyn bandwagon, selfishly self-promoting his political ambition, taking us down his own undisciplined chaotic path that has led to the current desire of the vast majority of the population who just want to see the back of this fiasco that is called the conservative government.
The wider population has not been given a chance to collectively pass judgement on this bunch of self-serving narcissists for way too long. That will not be forgotten and they will not be forgiven at the eventual next general election.
And I speak as a lifelong Tory.
I think they need to sort themselves out with regards how much sensible, prudent economic policy is their main thing or the ant-woke, "things were better in the old days" stuff. I cant be the only one that is open minded about voting for them if the former is the thing but will never do so if they seem more interested in whether transgender people can compete in weightlifting.
king arthur said:
Penny talks the talk but it remains to be seen whether she can walk the walk.
I was wondering that. Apart from a bunch of middle age men wanting her as leader because she's easy on the eye, is she actually any good?Yes, we know she can hit an open goal with her regularly taking the SNP apart, but that's not exactly hard is it?
We know she can tell fibs when it suits her and misrepresented her service in the Navy.
We know she's quite good at carrying a sword, but I'm not sure there's much call for that in day to day life.
What's her record like for the past few years......?
king arthur said:
Penny talks the talk
I beg to differ.https://youtu.be/PKkx8LCCCNY?si=JiS816c7evxvWDoI
IMHO we need a conviction politician to lead us out of the moral vagueness that is a hangover of King Boris' reign.
Penny Morduant or Johnny Mercer or similar seem like they might fit the bill, but the Tories are unelectable as they currently are and clearly need a spell in opposition.
Penny Morduant or Johnny Mercer or similar seem like they might fit the bill, but the Tories are unelectable as they currently are and clearly need a spell in opposition.
Skeptisk said:
Is Sunak a bad politician or just doing an impossible job (leading a party that is a party in name only with so many factions, useless politicians and toxic behaviour)?
I am not saying he isn’t a bad politician, but I am not sure there is anyone who could unite the party at the moment. They need to be decimated at the polls and then time on the back benches to sort themselves out.
Given the 14 years of government, it seems incredibly unlikely that any Conservative could win the next election.I am not saying he isn’t a bad politician, but I am not sure there is anyone who could unite the party at the moment. They need to be decimated at the polls and then time on the back benches to sort themselves out.
The people that didn't vote for them are unlikely to suddenly switch in their favour, and those that did, didn't get any of what they were promised.
The fact that I think she is dreadful, untrustworthy, a flat track bully but suspect the party and country would be in a much better position had she won the leadership contest, and feel she may be the best of a bad bunch moving forward shows the massive problems this once great party has. If she gets anywhere near 'power' she'll be another sticking plaster squirrel whilst the machievellian powerbrokers do what they can to plug the gaping hole in the ship's hull.
biggbn said:
The fact that I think she is dreadful, untrustworthy, a flat track bully but suspect the party and country would be in a much better position had she won the leadership contest, and feel she may be the best of a bad bunch moving forward shows the massive problems this once great party has. If she gets anywhere near 'power' she'll be another sticking plaster squirrel whilst the machievellian powerbrokers do what they can to plug the gaping hole in the ship's hull.
It won’t happen, apart from anything else her views on gender issues and Israel make her unpopular with the right wing of the party. Her supporters are claiming this is a plot to damage her chances post GE. MikeT66 said:
She's a good orator, but as another WEF stooge (a la Starmer/Sunak) I'd expect no change to the current immigration/net-zero/financial policies that are destroying the country, nor any opposition to the WHO future plans.
https://www.weforum.org/people/penny-mordaunt/
Cool! We haven't had the WEF / Great Reset / 15 minute cities on here for a while.https://www.weforum.org/people/penny-mordaunt/
Will we own nothing and be happy when Penny takes charge?
MikeT66 said:
She's a good orator, but as another WEF stooge (a la Starmer/Sunak) I'd expect no change to the current immigration/net-zero/financial policies that are destroying the country, nor any opposition to the WHO future plans.
https://www.weforum.org/people/penny-mordaunt/
..and, as a result, she's never going to appeal to the Loon Wing of the party.https://www.weforum.org/people/penny-mordaunt/
Blue62 said:
Derek Smith said:
They've always been that way, though, at least since the days of Heath. Thatcher split the party. She had the lowest rating of any tory PM up until the Falklands. The same tories who were calling for her expulsion before were the ones who wanted her beatified. The point is that the factions are not as a result of different beliefs in the fundamentals; it's in power blocks. They struggle for their own advantage. Mogg et al want authority to do what some of those factions they are fighting want as well. Bizarre. Labour's divisions are as a result of wanting to be more left wing/centrist. I used to think that was more difficult to unify. Not so sure now.
Might be a simplification, but the Tories never had a credible threat (in the form of an organised party) from the right wing until recent times, while Labour have been looking over their shoulder for years. I wouldn’t rule out the role of a largely right wing press either, eager to highlight divisions within Labour while presenting the Tories as united. It’s become a lot harder to play that card, added to which the current administration has clearly lost the undivided support of their biggest cheerleader, The Telegraph. I wonder if The Telegraph will continue to have a voice. It's circulation is in the pits. The assumption is it's old 'uns and those in particular posts. Age and tradition will ensure it will fall even more.
ChocolateFrog said:
No point her coming in before the GE and having that disaster attached to her name, let Sunak own it.
Bring her in after, 5 years to prove she's up to it.
+1. The Tories are toast at the next election and all the MP's and party members know the writing is on the wall even if they won't admit it in public. Penny may well be leader at some point but taking the job on before the election makes no sense as it won't make any difference to the result. She may not even hold on to her seat as I understand she 'only' has a 15000 majority. The Tories need at least 5 years in opposition to sort themselves out.Bring her in after, 5 years to prove she's up to it.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff