How do you lose a laptop at home?
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pokethepope said:
J4CKO said:
DM Comments are hilarious, someone suggesting they are being stolen and sold, that would be an edge case having a job with HMRC and being that desperate for a laptop, maybe in the past when they were very expensive devices but they are ten a penny now, who wants to lose their job over a crappy, usually basic work laptop
Not everyone working at HMRC is on a big wage - https://www.accountancydaily.co/third-hmrc-workers...SpidersWeb said:
Rufus Stone said:
HMRC staff apparently managed it 334 times over the last three years.
How? - Well start with employing 67,500 people
- Next give every single one of them a laptop so you have 67,500 laptops in use (HMRC policy is no desktops unless for very specialised use).
- Next tell every single one of them to take the laptop home 'just in case' so 67,500 are being transported around on buses and trains every day.
- Next pay the minimum wage to 1/3 of those staff so many are living in shared houses or homes of multiple occupation.
- And then perhaps you will lose 0.16% of them a year.
I wonder if the Daily Mail loses more than 0.16% of laptops a year?
Our boss lost his 2 hours after being given it. Front footwell of his X5 and someone smashed the windows when he stopped at Waitrose for some shopping...
Wasn't impressed when someone claimed BMW stood for break my windows, nor the delay and pain he had to go through to get a replacement.
chrispmartha said:
That’s the thing with laptops, they are portable and when you can take things out with you or easily move them around it increases the risk of losing them or them getting stolen.
It’s just a clickbait story from a comedy news outlet who like to get their reader base wound up over nothing.
What is it with dome people who always seem to be on the right wing side of politics who despise people working from home?
It's just one of those red rag to a bull stories that some get really worked up over. It’s just a clickbait story from a comedy news outlet who like to get their reader base wound up over nothing.
What is it with dome people who always seem to be on the right wing side of politics who despise people working from home?
Great article....
Surely WFH staff are more likely to lose their laptop than permanently office based staff (who might never take their laptop out of the office). Laptops get lost sometimes, they get left on trains, left in car parks etc. I suspect that the Daily Mail is writing the article on the pretence that WFH means "full time WFH".
Phones get lost all the time. I have lost one at an airport. It has nothing to do with WFH unless WFH means "never leave home".
Surely WFH staff are more likely to lose their laptop than permanently office based staff (who might never take their laptop out of the office). Laptops get lost sometimes, they get left on trains, left in car parks etc. I suspect that the Daily Mail is writing the article on the pretence that WFH means "full time WFH".
Phones get lost all the time. I have lost one at an airport. It has nothing to do with WFH unless WFH means "never leave home".
pghstochaj said:
Great article....
Surely WFH staff are more likely to lose their laptop than permanently office based staff (who might never take their laptop out of the office). Laptops get lost sometimes, they get left on trains, left in car parks etc. I suspect that the Daily Mail is writing the article on the pretence that WFH means "full time WFH".
Phones get lost all the time. I have lost one at an airport. It has nothing to do with WFH unless WFH means "never leave home".
See the earlier response about having to take your laptop home regardless of office based or WFH....Surely WFH staff are more likely to lose their laptop than permanently office based staff (who might never take their laptop out of the office). Laptops get lost sometimes, they get left on trains, left in car parks etc. I suspect that the Daily Mail is writing the article on the pretence that WFH means "full time WFH".
Phones get lost all the time. I have lost one at an airport. It has nothing to do with WFH unless WFH means "never leave home".
I've had to for the past 8 years ish, since everyone moved from Desktops to (generally worse performing and more expensive) Laptops.
oyster said:
The DM re-hashing a Telegraph article lambasting working from home - again.
Does working from home really anger people? I mean really anger them? Why?
Its usually people that cant that hate it, and obviously they hate HMRC as they take money off you.Does working from home really anger people? I mean really anger them? Why?
I go into the office and sit at a less comfortable workstation, have to drive there and I dont work with the people that are there. I go in once or twice a week for the social side.
Thing is, I get flexibility so I reciprocate, doing out of hours work like patching and upgrades, the office is closed at those times and to do it would need to do a 200 mile round trip to the office that is 24/7, which then involves driving, hotel stays etc so it works both ways.
SpidersWeb said:
How?
- Well start with employing 67,500 people
- Next give every single one of them a laptop so you have 67,500 laptops in use (HMRC policy is no desktops unless for very specialised use).
- Next tell every single one of them to take the laptop home 'just in case' so 67,500 are being transported around on buses and trains every day.
- Next pay the minimum wage to 1/3 of those staff so many are living in shared houses or homes of multiple occupation.
- And then perhaps you will lose 0.16% of them a year.
I wonder if the Daily Mail loses more than 0.16% of laptops a year?
Is all that true or are you guessing?- Well start with employing 67,500 people
- Next give every single one of them a laptop so you have 67,500 laptops in use (HMRC policy is no desktops unless for very specialised use).
- Next tell every single one of them to take the laptop home 'just in case' so 67,500 are being transported around on buses and trains every day.
- Next pay the minimum wage to 1/3 of those staff so many are living in shared houses or homes of multiple occupation.
- And then perhaps you will lose 0.16% of them a year.
I wonder if the Daily Mail loses more than 0.16% of laptops a year?
rpguk said:
I did a rough calculation myself as a sanity check based on a quick google of publicly available numbers and got *exactly* the same numbers, was annoyed I'd wasted 3 mins of my time when I saw someone had beaten me to it 
I was more referring to only laptops and having to take them home.Rufus Stone said:
SpidersWeb said:
How?
- Well start with employing 67,500 people
- Next give every single one of them a laptop so you have 67,500 laptops in use (HMRC policy is no desktops unless for very specialised use).
- Next tell every single one of them to take the laptop home 'just in case' so 67,500 are being transported around on buses and trains every day.
- Next pay the minimum wage to 1/3 of those staff so many are living in shared houses or homes of multiple occupation.
- And then perhaps you will lose 0.16% of them a year.
I wonder if the Daily Mail loses more than 0.16% of laptops a year?
Is all that true or are you guessing?- Well start with employing 67,500 people
- Next give every single one of them a laptop so you have 67,500 laptops in use (HMRC policy is no desktops unless for very specialised use).
- Next tell every single one of them to take the laptop home 'just in case' so 67,500 are being transported around on buses and trains every day.
- Next pay the minimum wage to 1/3 of those staff so many are living in shared houses or homes of multiple occupation.
- And then perhaps you will lose 0.16% of them a year.
I wonder if the Daily Mail loses more than 0.16% of laptops a year?
HMRC did a major deal with Microsoft to roll out Surface Pros with Office 365 and Teams to every member of staff and removed all the desktops, with the only staff having desktops being those who specifically needed one for a special purpose. In addition all the phones were removed and replaced with VOIP through the Surface Pro.
The deal was at the time that HMRC was closing offices and moving to regional centres with 'hot desking' and all staff having Surface Pros facilitated them having a ratio of 7 or 8 desks for each 10 members of staff.
For the 'take the laptop home' instruction, the office closure involved closing 137 local offices in 2015 and replaced them with 13 large regional centres located in the centre of large cities (and that was on top of the previous round of closures when C&E merged with IR), it meant that those staff who didn't leave (many thousands of experienced staff were paid to go) it meant that those who remained were likely travelling significant distances, so the 'take it home in case of transport difficulties' - Bristol is the nearest for those in Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire, and Wiltshire.
As for the pay, it used to only be the AA 'fill the stationary cupboard' grade that was at the minimum wage, but it is now the AO grade that answers the phone and deals with postal enquiries that is at that level.
J4CKO said:
pokethepope said:
J4CKO said:
DM Comments are hilarious, someone suggesting they are being stolen and sold, that would be an edge case having a job with HMRC and being that desperate for a laptop, maybe in the past when they were very expensive devices but they are ten a penny now, who wants to lose their job over a crappy, usually basic work laptop
Not everyone working at HMRC is on a big wage - https://www.accountancydaily.co/third-hmrc-workers...oyster said:
The DM re-hashing a Telegraph article lambasting working from home - again.
Does working from home really anger people? I mean really anger them? Why?
Wfh is less productive anecdotally and subjectively in many industries.Does working from home really anger people? I mean really anger them? Why?
I do 4 days a week from home. I'm less productive.
I still perform to a high standard yet i'm undoubtedlyless productive and spend less time work focussed.
My friends, peers and colleagues admit the same yet we now demand it as a work condition.
I understand the annoyance at public sector being less productive. Especially given there generally crap anyway for a variety of reasons.
Awaits the CS on here to anadoidly rebuke me about being right wing or some such nonsense and get all defensive.
Having issues with productivity, wastefullness, bloatedness and ineffectiveness of the civil service is not a right/left issue. Its just an issue that in my personal experience has consensus form those across the political spectrum.
WFH doesn't help with any of that. Yes there will be dedicated people who still perform highly but such is the selfishness of society now many will take the p.
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