Regulatory bodies

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OMITN

2,254 posts

94 months

Saturday 25th May
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CMA - how could I forget having spent several months last year getting a deal through their merger control and, more recently, picking up the pieces of their anti-trust enforcement against a business we bought.

They do not mess around.

anonymoususer

6,070 posts

50 months

Saturday 25th May
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Rollin said:
General Dental Council
Are you suggesting they have no teeth ?

blueg33

36,472 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th May
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anonymoususer said:
Rollin said:
General Dental Council
Are you suggesting they have no teeth ?
His claim is false.

Their crown hasn’t slipped.

Baroque attacks

4,594 posts

188 months

Saturday 25th May
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blueg33 said:
anonymoususer said:
Rollin said:
General Dental Council
Are you suggesting they have no teeth ?
His claim is false.

Their crown hasn’t slipped.
However they do fail to get to the root of the problem in the industry.

g3org3y

20,739 posts

193 months

Sunday 26th May
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Baroque attacks said:
blueg33 said:
anonymoususer said:
Rollin said:
General Dental Council
Are you suggesting they have no teeth ?
His claim is false.

Their crown hasn’t slipped.
However they do fail to get to the root of the problem in the industry.
They manage to brush off all criticism though.

CTO

2,654 posts

212 months

Sunday 26th May
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blueg33 said:
tamore said:
is there a single one actually doing what they were set up to do rather than being in the pockets of those they are regulating?
Yup

Charities Commission
Social Housing Regulator
CQC

I am on the board of a business that is regulated by those three. We have to jump through many hoops. For instance, get governance wrong = no social housing grant, get care wrong = fewer clients and more inspections.
I can’t speak for the other two, but the CQC is not regarded as an independent regulator of Health and Social Care.

It should be, but it isn’t. By providers at least.


Ian Geary

4,557 posts

194 months

Sunday 26th May
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anonymoususer said:
Rollin said:
General Dental Council
Are you suggesting they have no teeth ?
Nice one smile

oddman

2,411 posts

254 months

Sunday 26th May
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CTO said:
blueg33 said:
tamore said:
is there a single one actually doing what they were set up to do rather than being in the pockets of those they are regulating?
Yup

Charities Commission
Social Housing Regulator
CQC

I am on the board of a business that is regulated by those three. We have to jump through many hoops. For instance, get governance wrong = no social housing grant, get care wrong = fewer clients and more inspections.
I can’t speak for the other two, but the CQC is not regarded as an independent regulator of Health and Social Care.

It should be, but it isn’t. By providers at least.
CQC has singularly failed to spot or prevent any of the health scandals.

Imposes a regulatory burden that distracts from clinical care and in my estimation probably does more harm than if there were no regulator.

Basically provides undemanding feather bed employment for a class of clinicans who cannot hack it at the coal face.

Sway

26,499 posts

196 months

Sunday 26th May
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tegwin said:
xx99xx said:
Civil Aviation Authority?
You’re joking right?

Have you had dealings with them? Ask any pilot/operator and you will hear stories of pain and suffering. In the eyes of the CAA the safest flight is one that never leaves the ground…. They appear to work pretty hard to make that a reality… Makes running an aviation business or innovating technology exceptionally hard!
Complete opposite in my experience (and that also included dealing with about a dozen other aviation regulators).

Can think of two significant global innovations the CAA worked with us to achieve, and one other we didn't need help with but got a lot of support for.

Then there was a situation with a competitor last year where our chap signed off on a very rapidly developed plan that not only earnt us a bunch of dosh, but also really helped out a large number of regular people who would have been impacted far more than resulted.

Mojooo

12,831 posts

182 months

Sunday 26th May
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I've worked in regulation

Issues come down to this

- the amount of issues to deal with far exceed the resources we have (which were cut massively under the last Govt since 2010)

- it can take a lot of time and effort to investigate even a reasonably simple matter

- prioritisation is important and a way of justifying not doing stuff

- once something gets to court the nightmare really begins - slow ,expensive and unpredictable.

-a lot of people and organisations are just too weak - the central Government agencies just seem bound by red tape.

- many regulators are very concerned about their public imagine if things go wrong or if they are seen to be doing something that may be considered a waste of time/money - so everything is very 'safe'

- in some areas we did have sufficient tools/powers but in other areas it was massively lacking

- partnership working between the public sector could be better


blueg33

36,472 posts

226 months

Sunday 26th May
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oddman said:
CTO said:
blueg33 said:
tamore said:
is there a single one actually doing what they were set up to do rather than being in the pockets of those they are regulating?
Yup

Charities Commission
Social Housing Regulator
CQC

I am on the board of a business that is regulated by those three. We have to jump through many hoops. For instance, get governance wrong = no social housing grant, get care wrong = fewer clients and more inspections.
I can’t speak for the other two, but the CQC is not regarded as an independent regulator of Health and Social Care.

It should be, but it isn’t. By providers at least.
CQC has singularly failed to spot or prevent any of the health scandals.

Imposes a regulatory burden that distracts from clinical care and in my estimation probably does more harm than if there were no regulator.

Basically provides undemanding feather bed employment for a class of clinicans who cannot hack it at the coal face.
The CQC definitely dropped the ball with adult supported living with places like winterbourne view, but they have been better over the last couple of years.



QuickQuack

2,277 posts

103 months

Monday 27th May
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MHRA

pavarotti1980

5,057 posts

86 months

Wednesday 29th May
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CTO said:
I can’t speak for the other two, but the CQC is not regarded as an independent regulator of Health and Social Care.

It should be, but it isn’t. By providers at least.
Strangely that is first thing on their website

Our purpose and role
CQC is the independent regulator of health and adult social care in England.
We make sure health and social care services provide people with safe, effective, compassionate, high-quality care and we encourage care services to improve.
We monitor, inspect and regulate services and publish what we find