How to Claim a Country....
Discussion
tstain said:
oilydan said:
Don said:
Go gather up enough very tough ex-army types. Go buy plenty of weapons. Find a defensible island or area that isn't populated. Go draw a line round it and declare your independence.
If anyone feels strongly enough to try and come and take it from you - repel them with deadly force.
Basically make it more trouble than it is worth for any external power to try and enforce governance on you.
Keep doing this a few hundred years. In time more recognised countries will sign treaties with you. Eventually the UN will recognise you and that's when you can join the international community as a fully fledged country.
But the first thing any country needs is an army. Well-armed, highly trained and most important - effective at what they do.
That's great for creating a country...but what about taking one?If anyone feels strongly enough to try and come and take it from you - repel them with deadly force.
Basically make it more trouble than it is worth for any external power to try and enforce governance on you.
Keep doing this a few hundred years. In time more recognised countries will sign treaties with you. Eventually the UN will recognise you and that's when you can join the international community as a fully fledged country.
But the first thing any country needs is an army. Well-armed, highly trained and most important - effective at what they do.
A country that is already a country. For example - Zimbabwe; What would it take for me to be king? Would it be a case of just beating up the incumbent ruler and declaring myself head of state? What is stopping the likes of Bill Gates or any of the super-rich gathering up an army and paying a visit?
But generally it is preferred to have guns, more than your opposition. Or at the very least use them better than the opposition.
It can all get a bit out of hand though - witness this about Sealand:
'In 1978, while Bates was away, Alexander Achenbach, who describes himself as the Prime Minister of Sealand, and several German and Dutch citizens led by Paul Trevisan staged a forcible takeover of Roughs Tower,[12] holding Bates' son Michael captive, before releasing him several days later in the Netherlands.[citation needed] Bates thereupon enlisted armed assistance and, in a helicopter assault, retook the fort. He then held the invaders captive, claiming them as prisoners of war.[13] Most participants in the invasion were repatriated at the cessation of the "war", but Achenbach, a German lawyer who held a Sealand passport, was charged with treason against Sealand,[12] and was held unless he paid DM 75,000 '
'In 1978, while Bates was away, Alexander Achenbach, who describes himself as the Prime Minister of Sealand, and several German and Dutch citizens led by Paul Trevisan staged a forcible takeover of Roughs Tower,[12] holding Bates' son Michael captive, before releasing him several days later in the Netherlands.[citation needed] Bates thereupon enlisted armed assistance and, in a helicopter assault, retook the fort. He then held the invaders captive, claiming them as prisoners of war.[13] Most participants in the invasion were repatriated at the cessation of the "war", but Achenbach, a German lawyer who held a Sealand passport, was charged with treason against Sealand,[12] and was held unless he paid DM 75,000 '
If you're the mayor of a small city, it is theoretically possible. Such was the case with the Conch Republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_Republic
Cheers,
Madman of the People
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_Republic
Cheers,
Madman of the People
Bushmaster said:
If you read 'The Dogs of War' by Freddie Forsyth he gives basically a step-by-step approach to it.
A few years ago some Brit mercenaries used almost this exact formula to try and take over Equatorial Guinea. It went a bit tits, but hey ho.
Some of whom have been traded as comodities and presently tortured on a daily basis. A few years ago some Brit mercenaries used almost this exact formula to try and take over Equatorial Guinea. It went a bit tits, but hey ho.
As said before, you can never have too small a private army.
I'd start with a cult first. Once you get enough people to worship you, you are in a much stronger position to start buying up land, which you can later declare as sovereign territory yet still get away with calling yourself King. Any "rational" backers will want some pay off, but worshippers are much more likely to be blindly obedient to your cause.
You will almost certainly need backers for any sort of usable land.
My plan is more around breeding my own followers. Not quite to start my own country, but I reckon on a remote house in a defensible valley which would be nearly self sufficient. Anything that would be needed could be taken by raiding local villages, and smashing up government buildings. I believe Seven Strong Sons (as well as having a nice ring to it) is the critical mass for such an adventure, as it would be nearly impossible for local police to arrest eight fighting men, and not worth military intervention to deal with what is basically just a family of nutters.
You will almost certainly need backers for any sort of usable land.
My plan is more around breeding my own followers. Not quite to start my own country, but I reckon on a remote house in a defensible valley which would be nearly self sufficient. Anything that would be needed could be taken by raiding local villages, and smashing up government buildings. I believe Seven Strong Sons (as well as having a nice ring to it) is the critical mass for such an adventure, as it would be nearly impossible for local police to arrest eight fighting men, and not worth military intervention to deal with what is basically just a family of nutters.
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