Nick Griffin: "Sink Immigrants' Boats"
Discussion
I'm sure I read in the times this week an article which stated that a higher percentage of non-educated immigrants were on the dole than the indigenous population.
I think it is these people that most of the "anti-immigration" types refer to.
I will try and find the linky.
ETA: I wasn't quite right:
"The DWP conducted the experiment because there is a real problem with finding a job in Britain if you are not white: 73% of the general population are employed, but only 60% of ethnic minorities are. For some, part of the explanation is they leave school without many qualifications, but that is certainly not the whole story."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnist...
I think it is these people that most of the "anti-immigration" types refer to.
I will try and find the linky.
ETA: I wasn't quite right:
"The DWP conducted the experiment because there is a real problem with finding a job in Britain if you are not white: 73% of the general population are employed, but only 60% of ethnic minorities are. For some, part of the explanation is they leave school without many qualifications, but that is certainly not the whole story."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnist...
Edited by Martial Arts Man on Thursday 9th July 10:47
scorp said:
Immigrants have increased our population by a few percent only ?
Our population is forceast to reach 70 million, virtually all of which is due to immigration. Bearing in mind immigrants have a higher birth rate on average.Since virtually all of immigrants settle in England, which is already densely populated. It is true to say that in terms of mass migration Britain is "full".
We have been sleep walking into a crises this past decade, while any attempt to debate the issue has been derided as racist.
I am all for people who come and work but what I think a lot of people need to realise is there is widespread concern over the wholesale dumping of huge numbers in certain areas.
Where my father lives and I grew up has over the past few years had thousands of iraqi nationals dumped into the local community. The local high street has changed to one where all the shops have signs in arabic and he now has to drive to get some shopping because he cannot understand the signs, the language (many do not speak English) or what the hell the products are on the shelves.
The local club to which he has been a member for over 30 years is now a mosque.
I am all for people coming here to work but spread them out a bit, the posh bits of town could take some too.
The whole sense of community has gone and that is what many are crying from the roof tops for not because they have to live by immigrants.
Where my father lives and I grew up has over the past few years had thousands of iraqi nationals dumped into the local community. The local high street has changed to one where all the shops have signs in arabic and he now has to drive to get some shopping because he cannot understand the signs, the language (many do not speak English) or what the hell the products are on the shelves.
The local club to which he has been a member for over 30 years is now a mosque.
I am all for people coming here to work but spread them out a bit, the posh bits of town could take some too.
The whole sense of community has gone and that is what many are crying from the roof tops for not because they have to live by immigrants.
Sheets Tabuer said:
I am all for people who come and work but what I think a lot of people need to realise is there is widespread concern over the wholesale dumping of huge numbers in certain areas.
Where my father lives and I grew up has over the past few years had thousands of iraqi nationals dumped into the local community. The local high street has changed to one where all the shops have signs in arabic and he now has to drive to get some shopping because he cannot understand the signs, the language (many do not speak English) or what the hell the products are on the shelves.
The local club to which he has been a member for over 30 years is now a mosque.
I am all for people coming here to work but spread them out a bit, the posh bits of town could take some too.
The whole sense of community has gone and that is what many are crying from the roof tops for not because they have to live by immigrants.
Firstly how can you enforce where people must live - especially based on race or ethnic grounds?Where my father lives and I grew up has over the past few years had thousands of iraqi nationals dumped into the local community. The local high street has changed to one where all the shops have signs in arabic and he now has to drive to get some shopping because he cannot understand the signs, the language (many do not speak English) or what the hell the products are on the shelves.
The local club to which he has been a member for over 30 years is now a mosque.
I am all for people coming here to work but spread them out a bit, the posh bits of town could take some too.
The whole sense of community has gone and that is what many are crying from the roof tops for not because they have to live by immigrants.
Secondly, the bulk of immigrants do not live in state or council supplied housing. They either rent from commercial landlords or actually own their own properties. Again, are you proposing that certain immigrant groups are barred from buying properties in certain areas or are you suggesting that commercial landlords must turn away certain potential tenants purely on the basis of their immigrant status?
Eric Mc said:
Firstly how can you enforce where people must live - especially based on race or ethnic grounds?
Secondly, the bulk of immigrants do not live in state or council supplied housing. They either rent from commercial landlords or actually own their own properties. Again, are you proposing that certain immigrant groups are barred from buying properties in certain areas or are you suggesting that commercial landlords must turn away certain potential tenants purely on the basis of their immigrant status?
Firstly I was saying rather than bring huge amount of people in to the same small area spread them around the city or town rather than has happened a local 16 storey tower block being reserved for them, you have instantly created a ghetto.Secondly, the bulk of immigrants do not live in state or council supplied housing. They either rent from commercial landlords or actually own their own properties. Again, are you proposing that certain immigrant groups are barred from buying properties in certain areas or are you suggesting that commercial landlords must turn away certain potential tenants purely on the basis of their immigrant status?
Come now Eric, have you lost your glasses? Where did I write people be barred from buying houses based on their ethnicity?
The people to which I refer are here because of a war in their home country or did you miss the bit about them being Iraqi? They are not migrants as you were to this nation.
Please before you start to accuse me of veiled racism find out a bit about my family history 1st.
uli sees said:
at least Nick Griffin has got the balls to dare talk about immigration, unlike everybody else who remains politically correct about the issue and dare not speak about it for fear of being called a racist
this country is going down the toilet due to several issues, one of them being the fact nobody will dare tackle immigration and say enough is enough
this country is going down the toilet due to several issues, one of them being the fact nobody will dare tackle immigration and say enough is enough
Sheets Tabuer said:
Eric Mc said:
Firstly how can you enforce where people must live - especially based on race or ethnic grounds?
Secondly, the bulk of immigrants do not live in state or council supplied housing. They either rent from commercial landlords or actually own their own properties. Again, are you proposing that certain immigrant groups are barred from buying properties in certain areas or are you suggesting that commercial landlords must turn away certain potential tenants purely on the basis of their immigrant status?
Firstly I was saying rather than bring huge amount of people in to the same small area spread them around the city or town rather than has happened a local 16 storey tower block being reserved for them, you have instantly created a ghetto.Secondly, the bulk of immigrants do not live in state or council supplied housing. They either rent from commercial landlords or actually own their own properties. Again, are you proposing that certain immigrant groups are barred from buying properties in certain areas or are you suggesting that commercial landlords must turn away certain potential tenants purely on the basis of their immigrant status?
Come now Eric, have you lost your glasses? Where did I write people be barred from buying houses based on their ethnicity?
The people to which I refer are here because of a war in their home country or did you miss the bit about them being Iraqi? They are not migrants as you were to this nation.
Please before you start to accuse me of veiled racism find out a bit about my family history 1st.
odyssey2200 said:
uli sees said:
at least Nick Griffin has got the balls to dare talk about immigration, unlike everybody else who remains politically correct about the issue and dare not speak about it for fear of being called a racist
this country is going down the toilet due to several issues, one of them being the fact nobody will dare tackle immigration and say enough is enough
this country is going down the toilet due to several issues, one of them being the fact nobody will dare tackle immigration and say enough is enough
Good call.
drivin_me_nuts said:
odyssey2200 said:
uli sees said:
at least Nick Griffin has got the balls to dare talk about immigration, unlike everybody else who remains politically correct about the issue and dare not speak about it for fear of being called a racist
this country is going down the toilet due to several issues, one of them being the fact nobody will dare tackle immigration and say enough is enough
this country is going down the toilet due to several issues, one of them being the fact nobody will dare tackle immigration and say enough is enough
Good call.
but at lease we could remove a proportion of the problem, stop the problem growing , and then allow this country to sort out it's home grown problems without having to be the preferred residence for the worlds scum and scroungers!
odyssey2200 said:
drivin_me_nuts said:
odyssey2200 said:
uli sees said:
at least Nick Griffin has got the balls to dare talk about immigration, unlike everybody else who remains politically correct about the issue and dare not speak about it for fear of being called a racist
this country is going down the toilet due to several issues, one of them being the fact nobody will dare tackle immigration and say enough is enough
this country is going down the toilet due to several issues, one of them being the fact nobody will dare tackle immigration and say enough is enough
Good call.
but at lease we could remove a proportion of the problem, stop the problem growing , and then allow this country to sort out it's home grown problems without having to be the preferred residence for the worlds scum and scroungers!
you mean the indiginous underclasses?
Sheets Tabuer said:
Eric Mc said:
Firstly how can you enforce where people must live - especially based on race or ethnic grounds?
Secondly, the bulk of immigrants do not live in state or council supplied housing. They either rent from commercial landlords or actually own their own properties. Again, are you proposing that certain immigrant groups are barred from buying properties in certain areas or are you suggesting that commercial landlords must turn away certain potential tenants purely on the basis of their immigrant status?
Firstly I was saying rather than bring huge amount of people in to the same small area spread them around the city or town rather than has happened a local 16 storey tower block being reserved for them, you have instantly created a ghetto.Secondly, the bulk of immigrants do not live in state or council supplied housing. They either rent from commercial landlords or actually own their own properties. Again, are you proposing that certain immigrant groups are barred from buying properties in certain areas or are you suggesting that commercial landlords must turn away certain potential tenants purely on the basis of their immigrant status?
Come now Eric, have you lost your glasses? Where did I write people be barred from buying houses based on their ethnicity?
The people to which I refer are here because of a war in their home country or did you miss the bit about them being Iraqi? They are not migrants as you were to this nation.
Please before you start to accuse me of veiled racism find out a bit about my family history 1st.
In what section of my comments did I intimate that you were a racist?
What I was saying was that it would be extremely difficult for the authorities to bring in any propscriptive laws which barred immigrant populations from inhabiting specified areas. There is very little they can do to stop immigrant populations from congregating in areas where their fellow countrymen have already settled - thereby creating the "ghetto" effect you were describing.
I agree with you that it is not a good thing for this to happen - but I also see immense difficulty in trying to pass any sort of legislation to stop it.
Over time, these groupings do eventually disperse but I do feel that the societal framework in which we now live has encouraged the ghettoes to remain intact for much longer periods of time than they might have in previous eras.
Where exactly are all of the people assuming that immigrants cost us a load of money getting their figures? I can't find any that seem credible. All of the (recent) immigrants I've met have been extremely hard working and certainly benefit our economy rather than acting as a drain.
The BNP's policies strike me as ridiculous, even if you leave aside the fact that their leaders at least are a bunch of bigoted
s. Exactly how do they determine what counts as indigenous British? What counts as British culture exactly? How far back do they go?
It's all just a thinly veiled way of saying they plain don't like brown people. Their high up people are all ex-national front etc. Nick Griffin is just smart enough to have realised that in order to obtain any power they have to tone down the public nazi style comments. That way they can attract some votes from the credulous as opposed to being restricted to the hard core racists.
The BNP's policies strike me as ridiculous, even if you leave aside the fact that their leaders at least are a bunch of bigoted
s. Exactly how do they determine what counts as indigenous British? What counts as British culture exactly? How far back do they go?It's all just a thinly veiled way of saying they plain don't like brown people. Their high up people are all ex-national front etc. Nick Griffin is just smart enough to have realised that in order to obtain any power they have to tone down the public nazi style comments. That way they can attract some votes from the credulous as opposed to being restricted to the hard core racists.
hairykrishna said:
Where exactly are all of the people assuming that immigrants cost us a load of money getting their figures? I can't find any that seem credible.
Well, here's some rather alarming statistics based on government figures:"..compared with the UK average of 22% of the working age population being economically inactive, Somali, Bangladeshi, pakistani and Iranian immigrants are likely to be 81%, 56%, 55% and 48% economically inactive respectively."
Taken from here:
http://news.migrationwatch.org.uk/2009/05/amnesty-...
Hope this helps
hairykrishna said:
Where exactly are all of the people assuming that immigrants cost us a load of money getting their figures? I can't find any that seem credible. All of the (recent) immigrants I've met have been extremely hard working and certainly benefit our economy rather than acting as a drain.
Ok, heres the simple figures.An immigrant is more likely than not, to be taking a low paid job at minimum wage, so that give you an income of 48*6 or so, £288.
Of that £288 (if you are lucky to get a 48 hour week), then approx £80 of that goes in tax.
For that £80, the immigrant gets a fully insured health service, if he brings his family over which is only humane after all, then they will get council accommodation, they will probably get a reduction in council tax, an education for his children, family credit payments, and so forth.
The £80 is extremely good value.
If the immigrant doesn't bring his family, then a large proportion of his earnings will be sent out of the country, which is also bad for our economy as it acts as a drain on cash.
Reports such as this one are part of the reason why I was pretty sanguine about the BNP gaining seats in the recent Euro elections.
Griffin and his apes are now free to 'speak their brains' to a media just waiting to ridicule them.
The more they get the oxygen of publicity, the more stupid, backward and downright antideluvian their 'policies' (sic) will be proven to be.
Griffin is a charlatan chancer of average intellect who will be scrutinised to death by those who vehemently disagree with him and his kind.
The Game has only just begun. I intend to sit back and watch him twist on their skewers. Pass the popcorn Mother.
Griffin and his apes are now free to 'speak their brains' to a media just waiting to ridicule them.
The more they get the oxygen of publicity, the more stupid, backward and downright antideluvian their 'policies' (sic) will be proven to be.
Griffin is a charlatan chancer of average intellect who will be scrutinised to death by those who vehemently disagree with him and his kind.
The Game has only just begun. I intend to sit back and watch him twist on their skewers. Pass the popcorn Mother.
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