Jesus may have visited UK

[FourWheelDrift]

I've found him - http://twitter.com/kingofthejews

He's got 14,615 followers now. He's doing very well.

[grumbledoak]

FourWheelDrift said:

He's got 14,615 followers now. He's doing very well.

To put this into perpective, how many people are waiting on Stephen Fry's next cup of tea report?

Edited by grumbledoak on Thursday 26th November 18:02

[FourWheelDrift]

grumbledoak said:

FourWheelDrift said:

He's got 14,615 followers now. He's doing very well.

To put this into perpective, how many people are waiting on Stephen Fry's next cup of tea report?

Stephen Fry is clearly god.

[KANEIT]

Bill said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

who was the pope that Jesus wrote to?

Indeed

St. Augustine wrote to the Pope when he heard that Jesus had visited this island.

[grumbledoak]

KANEIT said:

St. Augustine wrote to the Pope when he heard that Jesus had visited this island.

What, this one?
Augustine of Canterbury (c. first third of the 6th century – 26 May 604)

I realise Jesus is considered a bit special, but how the fk did he visit over five hundred years after his death?

[dr_gn]

KANEIT said:

Bill said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

who was the pope that Jesus wrote to?

Indeed

St. Augustine wrote to the Pope when he heard that Jesus had visited this island.

Wrote to the Pope in 597AD that he'd heard of the "legend" that Jesus had visited England.

Isn't that equivalent to someone today writing of something that *apparently* happened in about 1400?

[OnTheOverrun]

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

[FourWheelDrift]

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Mythology is a word that doesn't mean true

[Marf]

[grumbledoak]

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Ri-iight. Have you any idea how long and arduous that journey would be at the time? The Roman Empire didn't manage to conquer the Island, yet one man and his nephew 'popped in' for as much tin as they could carry?

[Marf]

grumbledoak said:

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Ri-iight. Have you any idea how long and arduous that journey would be at the time? The Roman Empire didn't manage to conquer the Island, yet one man and his nephew 'popped in' for as much tin as they could carry?

He was, like, the son of god, he could do anything man!

[mybrainhurts]

......Ha! Ha!

[OnTheOverrun]

FourWheelDrift said:

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Mythology is a word that doesn't mean true

Personally I have great trouble believing the any of the Bible, but believing a bloke called Jesus travelled on trade route that is well documented in history with a bloke who is well documented to have travelled that route, is quite easy to believe.

[cymtriks]

grumbledoak said:

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Ri-iight. Have you any idea how long and arduous that journey would be at the time? The Roman Empire didn't manage to conquer the Island, yet one man and his nephew 'popped in' for as much tin as they could carry?

It's completely possible though.
Cornwall was known hundreds of years before Jesus as a source of tin. It was one of the main sources of tin at the time of Jesus.

However...

Apart from this folk myth is there any evidence that he actually travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, anywhere at all, to buy tin or anything else at all?

It is of interest that India also has this story. Some of the Indian christians, who trace their faith back to the apostle Thomas, claim that Jesus was educated in India at a Buddhist monastary. Their claim actually has some evidence to back it up as the monastary has records of several monks being sent west to find a holy baby about 2000 years ago and a tomb of a holy man who survived a crucifiction and fled east back to the place of his education.

[CDP]

cymtriks said:

It is of interest that India also has this story. Some of the Indian christians, who trace their faith back to the apostle Thomas, claim that Jesus was educated in India at a Buddhist monastary. Their claim actually has some evidence to back it up as the monastary has records of several monks being sent west to find a holy baby about 2000 years ago and a tomb of a holy man who survived a crucifiction and fled east back to the place of his education.

So was it Jesus who introduced curry to the ancient Britons?

[OnTheOverrun]

grumbledoak said:

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Ri-iight. Have you any idea how long and arduous that journey would be at the time? The Roman Empire didn't manage to conquer the Island, yet one man and his nephew 'popped in' for as much tin as they could carry?

Yes I have unlike you apparently.

It was a common and well used trade route described by many notable and reliable historians of the time. Didorus Siculus describes the route thus:

"Leaving the shores of Asia and favoured by an east wind, they went round about, down the Tyrrhenian Sea, between Europe and Africa, leaving the city of Rome and all the land to the right. Then happily turning their course to the right, they came near to the city of Marseilles, in the Viennoise province of the Gauls, where the river Rhône is received by the sea. There, having called upon God, the great King of all the world, they parted; each company going to the province where the Holy Spirit directed them; presently preaching everywhere…"

It was also described by Tertullian and Rabanus Maurus in his 'Life of Mary Magdalene' a copy of which still exists in the Bodleian Library.

Port hopping round the med and up the Atlantic coast of France to trade was a fairly common practice at the time.

This doesn't of course mean Jesus was the son of god, but to ridicule a documented trade route such as this is just silly.

[FourWheelDrift]

OnTheOverrun said:

FourWheelDrift said:

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Mythology is a word that doesn't mean true

Personally I have great trouble believing the any of the Bible, but believing a bloke called Jesus travelled on trade route that is well documented in history with a bloke who is well documented to have travelled that route, is quite easy to believe.

All of the stories about Joseph of Arimathea (if he ever existed, there is no proof) were written centuries after his death and he have been used as a useful link to hold together the fragile chains of religious legends, like the Holy Grail. He is not mentioned in any of the early writings about how Christianity was brought to the British Isles. It's only in the 9th Century that his name first appears in relation to Britain, in a series of stories about Mary Magdelene written by the Archbishop of Mainz.

Religions

[dr_gn]

FourWheelDrift said:

OnTheOverrun said:

FourWheelDrift said:

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Mythology is a word that doesn't mean true

Personally I have great trouble believing the any of the Bible, but believing a bloke called Jesus travelled on trade route that is well documented in history with a bloke who is well documented to have travelled that route, is quite easy to believe.

All of the stories about Joseph of Arimathea (if he ever existed, there is no proof) were written centuries after his death and he have been used as a useful link to hold together the fragile chains of religious legends, like the Holy Grail. He is not mentioned in any of the early writings about how Christianity was brought to the British Isles. It's only in the 9th Century that his name first appears in relation to Britian, in a series of stories about Mary Magdelene written by the Archbishop of Mainz.

If you're training to be a Church Minister or whatever - isn't this the kind of thing you study?

[OnTheOverrun]

FourWheelDrift said:

OnTheOverrun said:

FourWheelDrift said:

OnTheOverrun said:

I'm surprised this is suddenly news. I thought it was common knowledge/legend that Jesus travelled with Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy sanhedrin and trader to Cornwall to buy tin. This was a fairly common Phoenician trade route at the time so it's not inconceivable, especially as we only know about 30 of Jesus' 33 years of life so he had plenty of time for a few trips.

Mythology is a word that doesn't mean true

Personally I have great trouble believing the any of the Bible, but believing a bloke called Jesus travelled on trade route that is well documented in history with a bloke who is well documented to have travelled that route, is quite easy to believe.

All of the stories about Joseph of Arimathea (if he ever existed, there is no proof) were written centuries after his death and he have been used as a useful link to hold together the fragile chains of religious legends, like the Holy Grail. He is not mentioned in any of the early writings about how Christianity was brought to the British Isles. It's only in the 9th Century that his name first appears in relation to Britain, in a series of stories about Mary Magdelene written by the Archbishop of Mainz.

Religions

I didn't mention religion once, just historical trade routes.

[FourWheelDrift]

dr_gn said:

If you're training to be a Church Minister or whatever - isn't this the kind of thing you study?

In the same way someone studying Wizards and Magic reads Harry Potter books