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10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

219 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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If Gillette can harness the power of fusion, surely it should be dead easy for some clever scientists.

chimera40

7,259 posts

179 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Have watched this for several years. The importance iof this announcement can not be overstated. THIS is it, they have beaten the odds, the main body of science had written this off only last year as they predicted that the power ration could not be achieved. They held up lots of models showing this.

The hard bit is now over, containment of reaction and continued reaction is a much easier target and should be stabilized in less than a year. The fact that they are exceeding even there wildest expectations is incredible.

The revolution has just started folks. I would predict the first plant will come on line in less than 10 years and very little is left to get in its way. The world is about to change dramatically and the yanks have the patent. It will take many many years for other countries to come close to perfecting this technology.

pacman1

7,322 posts

195 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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10 Pence Short said:
If Gillette can harness the power of fusion, surely it should be dead easy for some clever scientists.
Slap.

chrisgtx

1,201 posts

212 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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chimera40 said:
Have watched this for several years. The importance iof this announcement can not be overstated. THIS is it, they have beaten the odds, the main body of science had written this off only last year as they predicted that the power ration could not be achieved. They held up lots of models showing this.

The hard bit is now over, containment of reaction and continued reaction is a much easier target and should be stabilized in less than a year. The fact that they are exceeding even there wildest expectations is incredible.

The revolution has just started folks. I would predict the first plant will come on line in less than 10 years and very little is left to get in its way. The world is about to change dramatically and the yanks have the patent. It will take many many years for other countries to come close to perfecting this technology.
I hope yopu are right,but,if america have the patent all well and good ,i hope they pass the information to the rest of the world(albeit at a fair price) so we can all benefit.
Hopefully this will relieve the strain on oil so we can keep the internal combustion engine going for a few more years
driving

TEKNOPUG

19,048 posts

207 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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We are still going to have to pay for this leccy though! It's not like they are going to just distribute it freely throughout the world.

chimera40

7,259 posts

179 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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chrisgtx said:
chimera40 said:
Have watched this for several years. The importance iof this announcement can not be overstated. THIS is it, they have beaten the odds, the main body of science had written this off only last year as they predicted that the power ration could not be achieved. They held up lots of models showing this.

The hard bit is now over, containment of reaction and continued reaction is a much easier target and should be stabilized in less than a year. The fact that they are exceeding even there wildest expectations is incredible.

The revolution has just started folks. I would predict the first plant will come on line in less than 10 years and very little is left to get in its way. The world is about to change dramatically and the yanks have the patent. It will take many many years for other countries to come close to perfecting this technology.
I hope yopu are right,but,if america have the patent all well and good ,i hope they pass the information to the rest of the world(albeit at a fair price) so we can all benefit.
Hopefully this will relieve the strain on oil so we can keep the internal combustion engine going for a few more years
driving
Europe are already on the bandwagon although it is firmly controlled by the Americans, there is currently another method for fusion ignition being explored as well and this facility is in France and comes on line soon, they are also starting the process of building what is in effect the first reactor using the technology in Europe, this has very much hinged on the success of the current experiment and will now go ahead and should be online in 10 years maybe less now that the US has seen that it works and actually outstrips estimates. They will now be throwing money at this like it is going out of fashion.

Dupont666

21,615 posts

194 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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TEKNOPUG said:
We are still going to have to pay for this leccy though! It's not like they are going to just distribute it freely throughout the world.
Only to the rich and not the poor, I can bet you a dollar that they will not give it out for free, but this would solve so many issues in 3rd world countries... would the US give it out to the needy??? I can see the president sticking 2 fingers up till people have paid XXX Billions to them...

Harry Flashman

19,467 posts

244 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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If this is really that significant, wow.

Can't see why it isn't front page news though, if it is.

TEKNOPUG

19,048 posts

207 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Any idea what running costs would be on a reactor? I mean, once it's constructed, there is no need for further resources (fuel)so is it just a case of switch it on and off you go, forever, for free?

TEKNOPUG

19,048 posts

207 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Whoever controls "ACME Fusion" is gonna make Bill Gates look like a peasant hehe

Davey111

717 posts

188 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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isee said:
since fossil fuel wont be in such deman anymore, the prices will drop drammatically and we could all fill up our tanks for a tenner each!
But surely fossil fuels are massively expensive to extract and then turn into useable petrol. I thought that the percentage that is used for cars is tiny.

Surely petrol would become ludicrously expensive as nations and general industry stop relying on it, meaning it is only being produced for individuals who want to use it for their hobbies. Unfortunately I think that if this were to happen petrol would become pretty much unaffordable.

Obvioulsy this is just my random thoughts and would never claim to be an expert in such things.

chimera40

7,259 posts

179 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Trust me here it is, the press tend to be a little slow on the uptake though and since is involves getting there head round the fact that the worlds energy problems will be over and we are not all going to die horribly in fuel wars etc etc they will be slow to grasp it.

If you think about it, its actually a bit of anti climax to all the guff they have been spouting for the last few years and all the greenies will have to go back to there sheds and think up somethng else to get worked up about. There will be very little upheaval, effectively the current crop of energy companies will be given license to build the plants, these will then be built replacing the current nuclear facilities. These licenses will be dished out under agreement and pricing from the US and there european partners and levies agreed accordingly, if other countries want the technology they have to pay the licensed companies and the governments in control of these companies.

Simples, the oil companies will not go broke, they will be most happy as it means they can continue to supply oil for much much longer and maintain a mass market rather than hyper pricing to a very few rich countries. No need for oil wars etc etc.

Its the water that will be the next big problem.


tamore

7,122 posts

286 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Davey111 said:
isee said:
since fossil fuel wont be in such deman anymore, the prices will drop drammatically and we could all fill up our tanks for a tenner each!
But surely fossil fuels are massively expensive to extract and then turn into useable petrol. I thought that the percentage that is used for cars is tiny.

Surely petrol would become ludicrously expensive as nations and general industry stop relying on it, meaning it is only being produced for individuals who want to use it for their hobbies. Unfortunately I think that if this were to happen petrol would become pretty much unaffordable.

Obvioulsy this is just my random thoughts and would never claim to be an expert in such things.
other way round i'd have thought. fuel fractions will become almost waste products, so very cheap. as it stands we still need non fuel fractions for all sorts of reasons.

tamore

7,122 posts

286 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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chimera40 said:
Its the water that will be the next big problem.
but surely if energy is as plentiful and non damaging as this process is supposed to be, then desalination becomes a non issue. just build a few massive plants, and fill up massive dried up/ depleted lakes.

chimera40

7,259 posts

179 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Davey111 said:
isee said:
since fossil fuel wont be in such deman anymore, the prices will drop drammatically and we could all fill up our tanks for a tenner each!
But surely fossil fuels are massively expensive to extract and then turn into useable petrol. I thought that the percentage that is used for cars is tiny.

Surely petrol would become ludicrously expensive as nations and general industry stop relying on it, meaning it is only being produced for individuals who want to use it for their hobbies. Unfortunately I think that if this were to happen petrol would become pretty much unaffordable.

Obvioulsy this is just my random thoughts and would never claim to be an expert in such things.
Not so, oil usage goes far and beyond that of power plants and cars, there is not a road or scrap of plastic/rubber that is built that does not require a large quantity of oil in various forms. The revenue that the oil companies actually make from petrol is tiny in terms of their total income, it is far easier and far more profitable to sell the raw product to the various industries than it is to run massive exercises in refinement/distribution for the petrol, this will continue though but on a far smaller scale as it is kinda hard to run ships, planes etc etc on batteries smile.

All that will change here is that the oil we have will last one hell of a lot longer as car production will turn to electric or whatever and no more fossil fuel power plants.

chimera40

7,259 posts

179 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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tamore said:
chimera40 said:
Its the water that will be the next big problem.
but surely if energy is as plentiful and non damaging as this process is supposed to be, then desalination becomes a non issue. just build a few massive plants, and fill up massive dried up/ depleted lakes.
Yip, your right, that problem does go away as well. biggrin Bonus

Also just had another thought on that, if this where the case and we produced the amount of fresh water that we need from desalination we would probably take out more from the ocean than that which the so called global warming puts into from polar ice melt biggrin Double bonus

Edited by chimera40 on Friday 29th January 13:20

isee

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3,713 posts

185 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Harry Flashman said:
If this is really that significant, wow.

Can't see why it isn't front page news though, if it is.
The problem is that stories like who Jude Law is fking now sell more papers. Most probably don't even know hoe fusion is different from fission and even more don't know what fission is.

ctallchris

1,266 posts

181 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Can we claim energy independance from the sun yet. I want to turn if off as soon as possible in order to save energy

isee

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3,713 posts

185 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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cheap limitless power will make hydrogen fuel a very viable energy storage. so the planes, trains and automobiles will be running on those.

isee

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3,713 posts

185 months

Friday 29th January 2010
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Also, I am sure there are other thing the humanity could do bt isn't at the moment due to vast amounts of electricity needed.

So if we have a masssive surplus, we might even be using that energy to make gold out of lead, terraforming, creating materials with obscene properties that would be commerically viable (skylift perhaps?) etc etc. Getting limitless cheap energy with no ill effects is imho the next age, the next dimension!