Nick Griffin on LBC this morning

Nick Griffin on LBC this morning

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M-J-B

15,004 posts

251 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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Eric Mc said:
M-J-B said:
monthefish said:
BBC Link

BBC website said:
ON THE ECONOMY
Cut public spending on immigration, asylum, EU membership and foreign aid, which the BNP claim accounts for more than £40bn
Cut £18bn it says is spent on tackling global warming, which it describes as "unproved science"
Raise personal tax-free allowance on earnings to £12,500 and inheritance tax threshold to £1m
Work for reduction in Council Tax through the slashing of all "politically correct council functions" and "diversity" schemes
Close legal loopholes which allow tax evasion through transfer pricing and the outsourcing of jobs to foreign nations
Foreign takeovers of significantly-sized UK companies to be judged in the public interest before they can proceed
Laws to separate High Street banks from the investment banking sector and opposition to privatisation of "natural monopolies" such as Royal Mail
Investigate viability of voluntary local currencies and support national network of autonomous local credit unions

ON EUROPE, CRIME AND IMMIGRATION
Halt immigration - in particular from Muslim countries - and deport illegal immigrants. Allow legally settled and law-abiding minorities to remain but review citizenship grants awarded since 1997
Deport foreigners convicted of crimes in Britain, regardless of immigration status, ban the burka and building of mosques. Deport radical Islamist preachers
Increase UK Border Agency funding, withdraw from EU, repeal Race Relations Act and scrap Equalities and Human Rights Commission. Scrap ID cards
Review the Police and Criminal Evidence Act to remove unnecessary bureaucracy from police duties
Reintroduce capital punishment for drug dealers, child murderers, multiple murderers, murderers of policemen on duty and terrorists
Reintroduce right of householders to defend themselves and their property, "using whatever means they deem necessary"
Establish penal station for "extremely dangerous/violent repeat criminals", including rapists, on the British island of South Georgia

ON SCHOOLS AND FAMILIES
"British concepts" of civility and courteousness to be taught in schools, along with British history and English, Irish, Scots and Welsh culture and traditions
Reverse budget cuts on education and bring back "traditional syllabi and teaching methods", along with streaming and grammar schools
Bring back academic and sporting competition at all levels of education
Free university education to students who have completed community service
Rebuild Britain's skills base through subsidies to engineering and science institutions and their students

ON HEALTH
Reallocate money designated for foreign aid to increase spending on frontline staff, while reducing bureaucracy and restricting managers' pay to £100,000 per year
Prioritise employment of people at affordable wages, halt recruitment of Third World-origin staff and end "health tourism" in UK
Cut waiting times and service difficulties by relieving immigration burden upon the NHS

ON WELFARE AND PERSONAL FINANCE
Halt payment of benefits, and provision of housing, education and pensions to foreigners "who have not paid into the system"
Education and training to help unemployed back into work - in return for set number of hours work per week
Those out of work for 18 months or more to participate in local work schemes in return for benefits
Aim to increase state pension to £150 per week during the parliament, link to earnings and restrict to Britons and those who have "fully paid into the system"
Reduce annual allowance for tax relief on pension contributions to £75,000
Convene national conference of employers and workers' representatives to resolve public sector pension difficulties, raising the age of retirement to 68 over "a period of years"

ON POLITICAL REFORM
Devolve all powers properly capable of exercise to local level, reviving county council government
Create an English parliament, alongside a pan-British parliament to oversee policy areas currently determined by Westminster - inviting the Irish Republic to join as an equal partner
Reform the House of Lords to include non-party political experts and individuals chosen for talent and service
Introduce "citizens' initiative" referendums to force government to adhere to the will of voters on specific subjects
Bill of Rights guaranteeing basic civil liberties, repeal 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights
Restrict use of postal voting to those incapable of getting to polling stations

IN OTHER AREAS
End involvement of British troops in the Afghanistan conflict, withdraw forces form Germany and stop Britain becoming involved in war with Iran
Renegotiate UK presence in NATO, raise defence spending by 1% over the rate of inflation for five years
Ensure National Lottery funding spent on projects enhancing British culture. Introduce formal bank holidays marking patron saints days of all UK nations
Tax concessions for pubs, lower alcohol tax and supervised smoking rooms in pubs
Laws to hold journalists and media outlets criminally liable for knowingly publishing falsehoods and media complaints body with power to grant right of reply with equal prominence to defamed people
Reverse privatisation of railways, invest in 200mph magnetic levitation inter-city rail network
Reduce fuel prices through tax policy, charge foreign trucks for the right to use Britain's road network
Develop alternative farming British subsidies to those of the EU, ban genetically modified produce, encourage regeneration of family farms and introduce 200-mile coastal fishing exclusivity zone
Place local councils under a legal duty to build a number of homes set to a percentage of the waiting list total each year, with "local connection tests" for housing applicants
Protectionist policy for the local IT industry, nationalise telecoms infrastructure to enable creation of UK-wide not-for-profit 100Mbps broadband service across the country
Wow...well, err, umm...now I'm totally confused.

the problem is I actually agree with quite a lot of that which is a worry....
Just because a political party makes "sensible" sounding noises dooes not mean they are barking - or even downright dangerous.
But I think they are barking and dangerous wink

Obviously not as barking and dangerous as I clearly am....... nuts

AJS-

15,366 posts

237 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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essexplumber said:
Pothole said:
I want to scrap our nuclear so-called deterrent also. What, or who, do we think it will deter?
I'll sleep easier having it than not.
Have you ever visited a country without nuclear weapons? And did it really cause you to lose sleep?

audidoody

8,597 posts

257 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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The only (likely) threat to us from nuclear conflagration is is if a terror organisation gets hold of a nuke along with the instruction manual on how to light the fuse. If a nuke goes off in Trafalgar Square due to a terror operation exactly who is the commander of the nearest Trident supposed to aim his ultimate deterrent at?

Emeye

9,773 posts

224 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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As far as I can see, the BNP manifesto seems to suggest that all our problems are caused by immigration and are the fault of Jonny Foreigner, but there is no mention of dealing with the lazy scrounging oxygen thieves that are born here - many of which are possibly the core of the BNP support.

HundredthIdiot

4,414 posts

285 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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Here's a random set of ideas:

- Cleaning teeth at least twice a day
- Pulling in your wing mirrors before using the drive-through car wash
- Looking out for your neigbours
- Executing all Brummies to rid Britain of their stupid accents
- Putting on my socks before my trousers

I agree with most of that.

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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Wait, no mention of the promise of UFO derived free energy or gnostic enlightenment in the manifesto?

essexplumber

7,751 posts

174 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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AJS- said:
essexplumber said:
Pothole said:
I want to scrap our nuclear so-called deterrent also. What, or who, do we think it will deter?
I'll sleep easier having it than not.
Have you ever visited a country without nuclear weapons? And did it really cause you to lose sleep?
No but lets just say we scrap the lot, it kicks off somewhere and theres a huge stand off with russia for example. What will we have to deter a strike? A couple of aircraft carriers and a strongly worded letter to the russian ambassador?

AJS-

15,366 posts

237 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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essexplumber said:
AJS- said:
essexplumber said:
Pothole said:
I want to scrap our nuclear so-called deterrent also. What, or who, do we think it will deter?
I'll sleep easier having it than not.
Have you ever visited a country without nuclear weapons? And did it really cause you to lose sleep?
No but lets just say we scrap the lot, it kicks off somewhere and theres a huge stand off with russia for example. What will we have to deter a strike? A couple of aircraft carriers and a strongly worded letter to the russian ambassador?
What situation do you envisage? I can see the argument, but I can't really see any situation where we would use them that has a high enough likelihood to justify the expense of keeping and maintaining these things, or the risk that one will go bang at the wrong time.

BTW, I don't really feel that strongly one way or the other about nuclear disarmament, but it's all public spending, which should be cut at every opportunity IMO!

The real Apache

39,731 posts

285 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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essexplumber said:
Pothole said:
I want to scrap our nuclear so-called deterrent also. What, or who, do we think it will deter?
I'll sleep easier having it than not.
I'd sleep easier having an armed guard patrol my house, but I can't afford it and it's unlikely I'd ever need him.
The most likely nuclear threat we face today is from a terrorist attack, Korea, Iran and Pakistan are never going to be an issue for the UK

clicdallara

143 posts

203 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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markcoznottz

7,155 posts

225 months

Sunday 25th April 2010
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Emeye said:
As far as I can see, the BNP manifesto seems to suggest that all our problems are caused by immigration and are the fault of Jonny Foreigner, but there is no mention of dealing with the lazy scrounging oxygen thieves that are born here - many of which are possibly the core of the BNP support.
I think the manifesto does deal with the white british underclass, most people see sense in some of what they say. Dont agree with repealing the race relations act though, its not about skin colour any one who wants to come here and work can, as long as they respect the british traditions. Immigration, in its uncontrolled labour form, is very cynical and destructive, and when a government admits it operated an open door policy purely to p*ss off people who hold right wing views, then it has to be responsible for the backlash from that decision.

SmoothRB

1,700 posts

173 months

Sunday 25th April 2010
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markcoznottz said:
Emeye said:
Immigration, in its uncontrolled labour form, is very cynical and destructive,
Maybe, but it also feeds Capitalism. The market demands more people to be consumers and producers.

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Sunday 25th April 2010
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hairykrishna said:
Pothole said:
I want to scrap our nuclear so-called deterrent also. What, or who, do we think it will deter?
It's the ultimate force escalation, a guarantee that nobody will ever get to dictate what we do via military force or the threat of military force. That might seem a ridiculous requirement at the moment - who would threaten us? Things change quickly in the world though.

I think a few tens of billions isn't that much, in the grand scheme of things, to retain the ultimate 'big stick'.
10 tens of billions. It's a fk of a lot.

Emeye

9,773 posts

224 months

Sunday 25th April 2010
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SmoothRB said:
markcoznottz said:
Emeye said:
Immigration, in its uncontrolled labour form, is very cynical and destructive,
Maybe, but it also feeds Capitalism. The market demands more people to be consumers and producers.
I didn't say that! Get your quotes right! But I do agree that Labour's open door policy is a good example of how they have stuffed this country up.

DSM2

3,624 posts

201 months

Sunday 25th April 2010
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Spiritual_Beggar said:
essexplumber said:
Pothole said:
I want to scrap our nuclear so-called deterrent also. What, or who, do we think it will deter?
I'll sleep easier having it than not.
I'd sleep easier knowing our troops are better equiped to protect us too.
I'd sleep better knowing some of the troops were still in this country.


hairykrishna

13,185 posts

204 months

Sunday 25th April 2010
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Pothole said:
hairykrishna said:
Pothole said:
I want to scrap our nuclear so-called deterrent also. What, or who, do we think it will deter?
It's the ultimate force escalation, a guarantee that nobody will ever get to dictate what we do via military force or the threat of military force. That might seem a ridiculous requirement at the moment - who would threaten us? Things change quickly in the world though.

I think a few tens of billions isn't that much, in the grand scheme of things, to retain the ultimate 'big stick'.
10 tens of billions. It's a fk of a lot.
It'll probably cost 30-40 billion. As far as I know not even the hippies at Greenpeace claim it will cost Cleggs '100 billion'.


AJS-

15,366 posts

237 months

Monday 26th April 2010
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hairykrishna said:
It's the ultimate force escalation, a guarantee that nobody will ever get to dictate what we do via military force or the threat of military force. That might seem a ridiculous requirement at the moment - who would threaten us? Things change quickly in the world though.
Things can change quickly in the country as well. It's no deterent against our own government, who are, IMO a far more serious threat to freedom than any possible future Russian bad apple.

ln1234

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848 posts

199 months

Monday 26th April 2010
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Voting for this bunch of Holocaust deniers / nazi Nazi sympathisers because you agree with some of their polocies, is like voting for Osama Bin Laden because you agree with his energy policy.

M-J-B

15,004 posts

251 months

Monday 26th April 2010
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ln1234 said:
Voting for this bunch of Holocaust deniers / nazi Nazi sympathisers because you agree with some of their polocies, is like voting for Osama Bin Laden because you agree with his energy policy.
I didn't know he had an energy policy - what is it?

Bing o

15,184 posts

220 months

Monday 26th April 2010
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M-J-B said:
ln1234 said:
Voting for this bunch of Holocaust deniers / nazi Nazi sympathisers because you agree with some of their polocies, is like voting for Osama Bin Laden because you agree with his energy policy.
I didn't know he had an energy policy - what is it?
Using aircraft fuel to destroy building IIRC