St George's day

[Marf]

SmoothRB said:

Marf said:

Really surprises me when I hear this. Any concrete evidence of this?

How many pro 'english' organisations or bodies receive governments sponsorship or patronisation?

LOTS of minority organisations do. The Welsh and Scots even get their own assemblies.

And that stops the St Georges Cross being flown why exactly? It doesn't.

Poor little oppressed Englishman, there there, its ok

SmoothRB said:

Australia has an Australia day for example.

Why did you come back to the UK? Sounds like you hate it here, would Australia take you back?

Edited by Marf on Saturday 24th April 12:59

[standards]

If it's a working day I always wear a red rose on St George's Day. Every year many people say something like "Why are you wearing a ...oh yea-it's St George's Day".

Annoying this year more than one person almost sneeringly remarked-"well I suppose if you're English". I had to hold my tongue rather than suggest if they don't like it they could relocate to another part of the UK, EU, ...

I'm delighted for others to celebrate their nationality.

What is wrong with us English?

[Dr Phibes]

standards said:

If it's a working day I always wear a red rose on St George's Day. Every year many people say something like "Why are you wearing a ...oh yea-it's St George's Day".

Annoying this year more than one person almost sneeringly remarked-"well I suppose if you're English". I had to hold my tongue rather than suggest if they don't like it they could relocate to another part of the UK, EU, ...

I'm delighted for others to celebrate their nationality.

What is wrong with us English?

Small minded people or liberal do-gooders in need of a cause that are jealous/ashamed of our past and think we should suffer eternal guilt and be made to pay (literally) due to the "hideous" ways we grew the biggest empire in history.

Tough tits, most nations in Europe did exactly the same but just couldn't apply themselves to the task as well as us.

We have every right to feel proud of our ancestors and the amazing and wonderful Empire built by a small island on the fringe of Europe. I am not saying we where/are perfect but no country has a shame free past, all have their faults just that we allow people to use this against us usually for their own means/benefits.

As Mr Clarkson once said the Aussies gave the world the rotary washing line, we gave the World, the World.

Edited by Dr Phibes on Saturday 24th April 15:58

[eccles]

rpguk said:

ShadownINja said:

Marf said:

My point still stands though. If someone chooses not to fly the flag based on what they perceive minorities may think of them, they alone are the ones censoring the flag.

It's not what the minorities think. It's what the white middle class PC brigade think. They think we'll be offended. I was disappointed it wasn't like St Patrick's Day.

Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 24th April 12:28

But where is the evidence about the 'white middle class PC brigade'. It's not St Patrick's Day because it's not sponsored by Diagio - and all the better for it too.

I don't understand this keeping up with the Joneses mentality that comes along EVERY St Georges Day without fail. This year they are having celebrations in Trafalgar Square, I have a few friends who complain every year that they have St Patrick's etc but not St Georges. Are they going now they've got it? No, as it was just an excuse to whine.

There is no law against celebrating St Georges day, if you want to fly a little plastic flag from your car do it, if you want to put on an event do it. Sure, I'd like a comedy hat in the shape of a pint of John Smiths but I wouldn't want the drunken night that goes with it (for what it's worth St Patrick's Day is the one day I make a point of staying in)

We don't do our saints day in the England as they do in other countries, it's probably a good thing as I'm not a big fan of religion. The only real St Georges Day tradition is moaning about how we don't have the same level of celebrations as other countries.

Edited by rpguk on Saturday 24th April 12:46

I have to agree with you there, totally.

Every year people moan about how they're not allowed to fly english flags, and blame some mythical PC brigade etc. It's just an exscuse, and I think most english are just apathetic about St.Georges day.

I went in to work on Friday and out of the six blokes I work with, I was the only one who knew it was St. Georges day, and I'm Welsh!

[limpsfield]

standards said:

What is wrong with us English?

too many chips on shoulders, too much Daily Mail is my diagnosis

[thatone1967]

does annoy me that we make more of a thing of Paddy's day in the UK than our own saint....

I do agree that a days holiday should be on the cards....

[Marf]

thatone1967 said:

does annoy me that we make more of a thing of Paddy's day in the UK than our own saint....

As said above, St Paddy's day is a marketing exercise for Diageo used in order to sell more Guinness. Irish patriotism/celebrating Irish culture has very little to do with it.

I'm sure if say Harvey's sponsored St Georges day and pumped as much into the day as Diageo did, then it would become much more of a celebration.

I think eccles post has some elements of truth to it too, there is a large amount of apathy surrounding english patriotism, so rather than say "I can't be bothered" people play the "its not PC" card and blame others.

[Dr Phibes]

Marf said:

thatone1967 said:

does annoy me that we make more of a thing of Paddy's day in the UK than our own saint....

As said above, St Paddy's day is a marketing exercise for Diageo used in order to sell more Guinness. Irish patriotism/celebrating Irish culture has very little to do with it.

I'm sure if say Harvey's sponsored St Georges day and pumped as much into the day as Diageo did, then it would become much more of a celebration.

I think eccles post has some elements of truth to it too, there is a large amount of apathy surrounding english patriotism, so rather than say "I can't be bothered" people play the "its not PC" card and blame others.

Not apathy so much as most proud Englishmen don't need a specific day telling them to display their pride its a constant, believe me you don't need Yorkshire Day to make a Yorkshire man proud of his heritage.

Edited by Dr Phibes on Saturday 24th April 19:27

Edited by Dr Phibes on Sunday 25th April 16:37

[Tadite]

Marf said:

SmoothRB said:

The real Apache said:

I saw one St George flag yesterday, one, it's almost as if people are ashamed to do it

Well it is painted as a bad thing by the political-cultural elites

Really surprises me when I hear this. Any concrete evidence of this?

I would have to look. But there does seem to be a little bit of policy inconsistency with people suppose to be supported in remembering their culture but only some groups seem to get the actual support. Problem with these things is they are hard to measure and more importantly get tied up with crazy nationalistic groups who jump up and down without explaining exactly what they are jumping up and down about...

If it was me I would just fly the flag.

[rpguk]

Dr Phibes said:

Not apathy so much as most proud Englishmen don't need a specific day telling them to display there pride its a constant, believe me you don't need Yorkshire Day to make a Yorkshire man proud of his heritage.

I think this certainly rings true as well. A lot of countries will have their 'day' in celebration of gaining independence, being founded etc. I think VE day could have been ideal for that purpose - but we didn't go down that route (and no one can argue it was "the PC brigade" back then)

And I don't need a 2 for 1 deal on John Smith's to make me proud to be British.

[EastLancsExile]

I'm surprised at the poster who said he'd only seen one flag it couldn't have been around here.
Up here in the areas where I was out and about working on St Georges Day (East Lancashire/West Yorks)I've noticed it getting bigger for the last few years but this year it was pretty amazing flags on loads of cars (on one roundabout I was waiting at I counted 4 different flags at one time) flags flying from house windows and in some towns the whole High street decked out.
Many people taking an unofficial holiday - I should imagine next year with it falling on a Saturday is the year it goes stratospheric.

I think its bloody great and a long overdue example of a peoples' two fingers to the middle class left-liberal do-gooders who have tried to make us ashamed of our great nation.