SNP launch legal bid over Leader's Debate

[Jasandjules]

Does anyone care what Salmond says? I know I don't.

[Stevenj214]

Jasandjules said:

Does anyone care what Salmond says? I know I don't.

As he is the First Minister of Scotland, I think quite a few people do.

[Stevenj214]

Mojocvh said:

Question.

Tell me, if the SNP are so hot on self determination and real independence, what steps, since being in "power", have they made to removing the moral obscenity at Coulport from Scottish soil to date?

NONE.

Defence and National Security is not a devolved issue. The SNP are firmly against Trident. Where they can push the issue, they do.

SNP and Plaid unite over Trident

[Jasandjules]

Stevenj214 said:

Jasandjules said:

Does anyone care what Salmond says? I know I don't.

As he is the First Minister of Scotland, I think quite a few people do.

Alright then, people whose opinions count... ;-)

As you say, First Minister of Scotland. Feck all to do with England.

[Jonny671]

My boss' wife is Scotish and says the SNP don't know what their on about, and when she goes back home the lack of support for them is quite funny.

Waste of time.

Let them have their own Scotland if thats what they want.

[HarryW]

rs1952 said:

Pooh said:

rs1952 said:

5unny said:

I wonder how a David Cameron government would play this. On one side they are Unionists but then if Scotland and Wales break away, the Tories could rule England for ever .

EFA

Not true, Labour would have still had a majority at the last election without any Scottish and welsh MPs.

I take back all I said

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/vote2005/html/eng...

Interestingly if you look at the actual number of votes it confirms that the average labour seat is very small and obviously nothing to do with boundary changes before the election to ensure that happened . To be fair its even worse for the lib dems than cons, work out the number of MP against the votes for them and then wonder why most are completely aghast at unfariness of teh current system.
First thing after the new election would be to pair down MP's numbers to say 400 with complete even numbers as far as practicable for each constituency.

[HarryW]

Stevenj214 said:

Mojocvh said:

Question.

Tell me, if the SNP are so hot on self determination and real independence, what steps, since being in "power", have they made to removing the moral obscenity at Coulport from Scottish soil to date?

NONE.

Defence and National Security is not a devolved issue. The SNP are firmly against Trident. Where they can push the issue, they do.

SNP and Plaid unite over Trident

That's bright, remove one of the biggest sources of income today and tomorrow from Scotland, don't forget its not just the current in-service team but the myriad of support and future designs on the Clyde and other areas, does he come from lala land.

[s2art]

Stevenj214 said:

I believe in self determination and independence. I would dearly like to see an independent Scotland where our government can make decisions with the best interests of the Scottish people at heart.

So you would exit the UK AND the EU. Good luck with that, imagine if you had done that before the financial crisis. Scotland and Iceland together in misery.
For that matter you could have simply left the UK. But then what would have happened when the RBS needed bailing out? Scotland would make Greece look like a picnic financially, and you wouldnt even be independent, just ruled by Brussels, no doubt with the Euro currency so managed by Brussels and Frankfurt with no chance of devaluing to assist any recovery.

I wouldnt wish that even on the French!

Edited by s2art on Sunday 25th April 15:56

Edited by s2art on Sunday 25th April 16:02

[BliarOut]

If the snp deserve a place on the podium so do the bnp.

[odyssey2200]

BliarOut said:

If the snp deserve a place on the podium so do the bnp.

Seems only fair.

[Mojocvh]

HarryW said:

Stevenj214 said:

Mojocvh said:

Question.

Tell me, if the SNP are so hot on self determination and real independence, what steps, since being in "power", have they made to removing the moral obscenity at Coulport from Scottish soil to date?

NONE.

Defence and National Security is not a devolved issue. The SNP are firmly against Trident. Where they can push the issue, they do.

SNP and Plaid unite over Trident

That's bright, remove one of the biggest sources of income today and tomorrow from Scotland, don't forget its not just the current in-service team but the myriad of support and future designs on the Clyde and other areas, does he come from lala land.

Exactly.

They have misrepresented their policy and have failed to remove that part of their manifesto in the hope that the voters will only see what they are fed, and it is working.

[Stevenj214]

s2art said:

Stevenj214 said:

I believe in self determination and independence. I would dearly like to see an independent Scotland where our government can make decisions with the best interests of the Scottish people at heart.

So you would exit the UK AND the EU. Good luck with that, imagine if you had done that before the financial crisis. Scotland and Iceland together in misery.
For that matter you could have simply left the UK. But then what would have happened when the RBS needed bailing out? Scotland would make Greece look like a picnic financially, and you wouldnt even be independent, just ruled by Brussels, no doubt with the Euro currency so managed by Brussels and Frankfurt with no chance of devaluing to assist any recovery.

I wouldnt wish that even on the French!

Edited by s2art on Sunday 25th April 15:56

Edited by s2art on Sunday 25th April 16:02

An independent Scotland within the EU would be as independent (or not, as the case may be) as all other member countries.

As for the bank crisis, it may have crippled Scotland, it may have been handled differently. Either way, Scotland could cope with a repeat.

Independent Scotland 'could ride out new crisis'

[Funk]

Scotland and Wales have their own parliaments, therefore England should have too. The Scots and Welsh can currently vote on matters impacting on the English, yet the English can't vote on matters affecting the Scots and Welsh.

If Scotland and Wales really want to 'stand alone' then let them; but cut off all support from England, be it military, financial, health, education etc. Remove all non-English MPs from the new English Parliament. Make the three Parliaments work together for matters affecting UK land-mass as a whole.

[SmoothRB]

Jasandjules said:

Does anyone care what Salmond says? I know I don't.

He's a fat Scotch git but he has a point here.

[s2art]

Stevenj214 said:

s2art said:

Stevenj214 said:

I believe in self determination and independence. I would dearly like to see an independent Scotland where our government can make decisions with the best interests of the Scottish people at heart.

So you would exit the UK AND the EU. Good luck with that, imagine if you had done that before the financial crisis. Scotland and Iceland together in misery.
For that matter you could have simply left the UK. But then what would have happened when the RBS needed bailing out? Scotland would make Greece look like a picnic financially, and you wouldnt even be independent, just ruled by Brussels, no doubt with the Euro currency so managed by Brussels and Frankfurt with no chance of devaluing to assist any recovery.

I wouldnt wish that even on the French!

Edited by s2art on Sunday 25th April 15:56

Edited by s2art on Sunday 25th April 16:02

An independent Scotland within the EU would be as independent (or not, as the case may be) as all other member countries.

As for the bank crisis, it may have crippled Scotland, it may have been handled differently. Either way, Scotland could cope with a repeat.

Independent Scotland 'could ride out new crisis'

Errm, not really. The bigger countries tend to get their way, often breaking the rules, the smaller countries do not.

And good luck with that report too. Who is going to trust the 'managability' of a bank with a balance sheet many many times the size of Scotlands economy? Even the Yanks are talking about breaking up banks hat are too big to fail. That report you are referring to is just so much hot air.

[Mojocvh]

Funk said:

Scotland and Wales have their own parliaments, therefore England should have too. The Scots and Welsh can currently vote on matters impacting on the English, yet the English can't vote on matters affecting the Scots and Welsh.

If Scotland and Wales really want to 'stand alone' then let them; but cut off all support from England, be it military, financial, health, education etc. Remove all non-English MPs from the new English Parliament. Make the three Parliaments work together for matters affecting UK land-mass as a whole.

You REALLY don't want to go down that route. Really.

What does democracy mean to you, in reality, with your devolved English parliament?

you get some muppet (who you may or may not have voted for) representing your views.

Except they DON'T REPRESENT ANY VIEWS OTHER THAN THEY (OR THEIR PARTY WHIP) HOLD THEMSELVES.

So your idealistic thoughts on greater representation as gone already.

So who do you think pays for yet another tier of local government in total, buildings, IT projects, EXPENSES?

Not them that's for sure.

What this country needs and I mean the UK here, is a massive CULL of both politicians and bureaucracy.

The only way to achieve this is by ending the "open hand" system of funding of government by taxation.

Mo.



edited to add gif

Edited by Mojocvh on Sunday 25th April 18:36

[Balmoral Green]

The SNP do have a platform on the TV debate, in Scotland, they already have a 4 podium set up with the SNP, Labour, Lib-Dems and Conservative.

Quite why they want a platform in the rest of the UK too is beyond me, as to my knowledge, they aren't fielding any candidates in England, Ireland or Wales. So who exactly are they going to be preaching to? Even if they were given a platform, and they managed to win people over, we couldn't vote for them anyway, even if we wanted to.

[Saddle bum]

Stevenj214 said:

I would dearly like to see an independent Scotland where our government can make decisions with the best interests of the Scottish people at heart.

We already have a government doing that now at Westminster.

[Saddle bum]

Stevenj214 said:

I would dearly like to see an independent Scotland where our government can make decisions with the best interests of the Scottish people at heart.

We already have a government doing that now at Westminster.

[Political Pain]

I had hoped that by giving him his own playground shout his wares in he would keep his irritating piggy nose out of our end of the state.

The SNP are a 'minority' in this situation and are therefore sidelined, it is a direct consequence of his whining for and finally getting his own playground.

He is a scot that likes chips, most especially he savours the big one on his shoulder.

As a child I was told that sometimes having your prayers answered may not turn out to be the answer to your prayers.