Michael Gove on R4 'Today'
Discussion
chris watton said:
"Gove v Humphrys: reason enough to vote Conservative"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/...
Exactly! http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/...
dazzztay said:
I still dont like this idea or policy - even if my suggestion isnt perfect - im sure there is a better way than diluting the funding to normal schools!
Is the answer not better management, more appropreate targets for existing schools, etc...?
They have had decades to do that. And it hasnt worked.Is the answer not better management, more appropreate targets for existing schools, etc...?
JagLover said:
A failing business goes under and the same thing should happen to a failing school.
The funding will not have been diluted if the old school has ceased to be.
So everyone gets redundancy? What about pensions etc...And the building? ANd the disruption to the students? And everyone goes into their own private school?The funding will not have been diluted if the old school has ceased to be.
Just because the government have had time to fix and current system and not fully succeded does not mean their method is wrong or that they have not had success! I know of improving schools in bad areas that are doing very well - and im sure with better management the still suffering schools can improve.
Redical change isnt always right - some problems take time to fix and some schools have other reasons why they have problems - like massive ethnic minoritys requiring special attention, like poor teachers that are hard to sack, when schools close the students are put in surrounding schools adding an extra strain to them, poor students that can not be 'expelled to another school', etc....
There are many reasons why schools may struggle and simply taking the good students away to 'private' schooling doesnt help - it lowers the schools average pushing them further down the path of destruction. The good kids need not to suffer and the problems need sorting for the rest! This system will only help the kids who have parents in a possition to help them!
dazzztay said:
JagLover said:
A failing business goes under and the same thing should happen to a failing school.
The funding will not have been diluted if the old school has ceased to be.
So everyone gets redundancy? What about pensions etc...And the building? ANd the disruption to the students? And everyone goes into their own private school?The funding will not have been diluted if the old school has ceased to be.
Just because the government have had time to fix and current system and not fully succeded does not mean their method is wrong or that they have not had success! I know of improving schools in bad areas that are doing very well - and im sure with better management the still suffering schools can improve.
Redical change isnt always right - some problems take time to fix and some schools have other reasons why they have problems - like massive ethnic minoritys requiring special attention, like poor teachers that are hard to sack, when schools close the students are put in surrounding schools adding an extra strain to them, poor students that can not be 'expelled to another school', etc....
There are many reasons why schools may struggle and simply taking the good students away to 'private' schooling doesnt help - it lowers the schools average pushing them further down the path of destruction. The good kids need not to suffer and the problems need sorting for the rest! This system will only help the kids who have parents in a possition to help them!
'The second charge is that this funding system creates educational apartheid. If money follows pupils, won’t a socially damaging segregation between the best and worst schools be a natural consequence? Were it not for the evidence of the Swedish model, it would be easy to imagine any such proposal being still-born in this country. But there is now a mass of academic studies — one surveying 28,000 pupils — showing that such fears are unjustified. In education, a rising tide really does lift all boats. The older schools improve as they are galvanised by the pressure of the new: shape up, or lose pupils and money. It works.'
dazzztay said:
Just because the government have had time to fix and current system and not fully succeded does not mean their method is wrong .
Yes it does.dazzztay said:
There are many reasons why schools may struggle and simply taking the good students away to 'private' schooling doesnt help - it lowers the schools average pushing them further down the path of destruction. The good kids need not to suffer and the problems need sorting for the rest! This system will only help the kids who have parents in a possition to help them!
As Gove explained quite clearly, it's not private schooling, it's privately funded schooling, which is entirely different. The failing schools may fold, and funding should cease. Local parents will then have funding to address the problems that are local to them. Not give the money to another quango to piss away, as Labour has done for 13 years. Any parent can be involved in this consultation process for local schools, not just well off ones.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff