Why will you be voting Labour?

[Dunk76]

bales said:

Einion Yrth said:

dazzztay said:

I might because 'better the devil you know' and i agree with their ideas more than the other parties. Also i dont hate Brown.

'Now bring on the hoards of abuse because im honest and dont hate Labour'

There's very little point in abusing simpletons.

This is the exact reason why nobody will comment on these type of threads regardless of what their political views are.

Why would someone want to explain their reasons for what party they are voting for when petty insults are the first thing anyone will say. If there was an intellectual debate then fair enough but as has been proved thats not what happens.

Yep.

Dazzztay may be choosing to overlook the bad bits of labour in preference of the good bits, but that's his democratic choice.

The original question is 'why will you be voting Labour'; asked, I should think, to garner opinion on why people will, not so that the rest of the board can waste even more server space telling people what they already know or believe about Labour.

The simple fact is that Labour are a dying administration, one way or another, and the biggest concern should actually be want happens when the real feckless wonders - the LibDems - are suddenly handed a share of power in the form of a Hung Parliament.

The real legacy of Blair's Labour will be the events of the next six months, as a hung parliament is a bad thing whatever form it takes. But with LibDem input it's going to be very messy indeed.

Anyway, back to Dazzztay - he's not been stupid in his views as stupidity is a relative concept based on experience, knowledge, and circumstance. Neither has he balefully trotted out the Labour troll lines that we normally see from the brainwashed.

So on the basis of me wanting to see what the few other Labour voters have as their reasons for voting for them as we approach the election, can we desist from name calling?

[andy43]

I'm unlikely to ever vote Labour, but I am genuinely interested in the views of those who are.
It'd be nice to see a pro labour thread that doesn't degenerate into a slanging match - I'm expecting it to - would it be possible for mods to keep at least one 'I'm a Labour supporter' thread tidy and free from insults?
A well-balanced non-shouty argument would be nice, seeing as the politicians seem incapable of it.

Edited by andy43 on Tuesday 27th April 09:29

[AndrewW-G]

dazzztay said:

968 said:

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Yes but we got into this position because of Brown in the first place, or didn't you realise that? You're probably taken in by that 'global recession' bks. Before the recession hit, our public spending was out of control. That was squarely down to Brown. If we'd had an election after Bliar left, we might not have been in this situation now.

Again, if you aren't aware of these facts, you're about the only person in the country who is.

How did Brown - on his own - spend all that money? He is not given a free rein to do what he pleases while the rest sit and twiddle their thumbs. He does not come up with all the ideas on the back of napkins and beer mats. He is a figure head of a government and not a single supreme ruler! Blair caused the damage long before GB got into power - then jumped out of the hot seat leaving GB to mop-up the damage!

SO in one breath you’re saying that the PM is only a figure head, and then in the next you’re saying it's all Blairs fault as he was in charge?

Brown was Chancellor prior to becoming PM; he is therefore in an interesting position, as he HAS been responsible for the fiscal policy of the government in one way or another for 13 years.
He made a point of highlighting his reforms of the financial services regulations, yet for some reason doesn’t want to take responsibility for the recession that it caused.

Just for the record, the PM may not come up with all the ideas a government implements, he does however sign off on the most significant of them.................... The buck as the Americans would say, should stop on his desk

[Pommygranite]

dazzztay said:

968 said:

dazzztay said:

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Yes but we got into this position because of Brown in the first place, or didn't you realise that? You're probably taken in by that 'global recession' bks. Before the recession hit, our public spending was out of control. That was squarely down to Brown. If we'd had an election after Bliar left, we might not have been in this situation now.

Again, if you aren't aware of these facts, you're about the only person in the country who is.

How did Brown - on his own - spend all that money? He is not given a free rein to do what he pleases while the rest sit and twiddle their thumbs. He does not come up with all the ideas on the back of napkins and beer mats. He is a figure head of a government and not a single supreme ruler! Blair caused the damage long before GB got into power - then jumped out of the hot seat leaving GB to mop-up the damage!

I understand your thinking, but if i'm not mistaken Brown was, as chancellor, decision maker in respect of financial decisions that have affected the country from the first day of office to today.

[968]

dazzztay said:

968 said:

dazzztay said:

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dazzztay said:

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Yes but we got into this position because of Brown in the first place, or didn't you realise that? You're probably taken in by that 'global recession' bks. Before the recession hit, our public spending was out of control. That was squarely down to Brown. If we'd had an election after Bliar left, we might not have been in this situation now.

Again, if you aren't aware of these facts, you're about the only person in the country who is.

How did Brown - on his own - spend all that money? He is not given a free rein to do what he pleases while the rest sit and twiddle their thumbs. He does not come up with all the ideas on the back of napkins and beer mats. He is a figure head of a government and not a single supreme ruler! Blair caused the damage long before GB got into power - then jumped out of the hot seat leaving GB to mop-up the damage!

Er, quite simple really, he was a part of a massive majority government that could do what they liked, and can spin the numbers and figures to justify it.

Not sure if you're aware of the last 10 years of politics, but Brown ran the ship as Chancellor and controlled public spending, then he was made PM, without a public mandate, so he could continue his reckless spending plans.

Interesting that you can't name one good thing this government has done.

[cs02rm0]

dazzztay said:

How did Brown - on his own - spend all that money? He is not given a free rein to do what he pleases while the rest sit and twiddle their thumbs.

So what you're saying is, it wasn't just Brown, they're collectively responsible for all they've screwed up? In my book that's less of a reason to vote for them?

dazzztay said:

He does not come up with all the ideas on the back of napkins and beer mats. He is a figure head of a government and not a single supreme ruler!

He's controlled the purse strings though. He personally took responsibility during the boom, but we're to believe that and yet the bust had nothing to do with him? Regardless of the financial situation in the rest of the world he drove up ridiculous levels of debt which have exacerbated our position.

dazzztay said:

Blair caused the damage long before GB got into power - then jumped out of the hot seat leaving GB to mop-up the damage!

If only he'd been in a position to stop Blair spending all that money, the poor man's just one of us.

[Dunk76]

968 said:

Interesting that you can't name one good thing this government has done.

Politics is about beliefs, not facts.

[968]

dazzztay said:

bales said:

Einion Yrth said:

dazzztay said:

I might because 'better the devil you know' and i agree with their ideas more than the other parties. Also i dont hate Brown.

'Now bring on the hoards of abuse because im honest and dont hate Labour'

There's very little point in abusing simpletons.

This is the exact reason why nobody will comment on these type of threads regardless of what their political views are.

Why would someone want to explain their reasons for what party they are voting for when petty insults are the first thing anyone will say. If there was an intellectual debate then fair enough but as has been proved thats not what happens.

Your right - many people dont comment because of abuse - ive commented on several threads and recieved abuse on each one. When all is said and done, Labour seem to have roughly 30% of public support (depending on what poll you read) - so im not the only one who sympathyses with Labour! But im one of the very few because of these types of replies!

No you haven't. You appeared on the educational policy thread, received no abuse from me for sure, but were unable to counter the argument put to you.

[AJS-]

Four Cofffee said:

I will. Our local Labour MP is a top bloke who escaped the expenses stuff. Politics aside, I want someone local who I can trust and who I think would fight my corner if it came to it, not some drafted in numpty who probably doesn't know whee the place is.

You'll put politics aside to vote in an election? That is a reason to vote Labour.

Actually, having a decent candidate is the best reason to vote. I have a hard time believing anyone who would join the Labour party to be decent, let alone stay in it at the moment. Still, I'm sure there is someone decent there, somewhere... err, maybe.

In my more bitter moments I think I'll vote Labour though, because I want them to destroy the country properly, once and for all, so these simple fkers who think the government can answer all their problems by taxing "the rich" learn their lesson and/or starve to a miserable death.

[Digga]

I will be voting Labour on May 6th if;

• I have some sort of breakdown.
• My wife starts sneaking drugs into my meals.
• I fall over and sustain a serious (but not sufficiently debilitating to prevent me voting) craneal injury.
• Labour extremist kidnap a famiily member and hold them to ransom for my vote.

Otherwise, I'll be doing something else.

[NoelWatson]

Because Gordon is a wonderful man

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/27/gor...

[cs02rm0]

Four Cofffee said:

I will. Our local Labour MP is a top bloke who escaped the expenses stuff. Politics aside, I want someone local who I can trust and who I think would fight my corner if it came to it, not some drafted in numpty who probably doesn't know whee the place is.

If he's a top bloke, what's he doing representing them? Perhaps ask him to consider switching to another side?

[Ewan S]

Dunk76 said:

968 said:

Interesting that you can't name one good thing this government has done.

Politics is about beliefs, not facts.

What? So if they tell you a bunch of good lies that you believe, thats good enough for you is it?

[968]

AJS- said:

In my more bitter moments I think I'll vote Labour though, because I want them to destroy the country properly, once and for all, so these simple fkers who think the government can answer all their problems by taxing "the rich" learn their lesson and/or starve to a miserable death.

Actually, if you want to prove that point, you arguably should vote LibDem since they seem to be the most leftie and 'tax the rich' of all the parties. I share your ire though!

Edited by 968 on Tuesday 27th April 09:42

[dazzztay]

968 said:

dazzztay said:

bales said:

Einion Yrth said:

dazzztay said:

I might because 'better the devil you know' and i agree with their ideas more than the other parties. Also i dont hate Brown.

'Now bring on the hoards of abuse because im honest and dont hate Labour'

There's very little point in abusing simpletons.

This is the exact reason why nobody will comment on these type of threads regardless of what their political views are.

Why would someone want to explain their reasons for what party they are voting for when petty insults are the first thing anyone will say. If there was an intellectual debate then fair enough but as has been proved thats not what happens.

Your right - many people dont comment because of abuse - ive commented on several threads and recieved abuse on each one. When all is said and done, Labour seem to have roughly 30% of public support (depending on what poll you read) - so im not the only one who sympathyses with Labour! But im one of the very few because of these types of replies!

No you haven't. You appeared on the educational policy thread, received no abuse from me for sure, but were unable to counter the argument put to you.

I have been given crap - may be not from you though. And i have to work inbetween posting. We can go back to that discussion if you like but when i go home or in to meetings i stop posting. This would be a better in the pub or whatever but seening as its daytime and on the net you have to accept that i cant answer every post!

[Dunk76]

Ewan S said:

Dunk76 said:

968 said:

Interesting that you can't name one good thing this government has done.

Politics is about beliefs, not facts.

What? So if they tell you a bunch of good lies that you believe, thats good enough for you is it?

In the context of this discussion it's irrelevant - voting isn't a test based on factual information is it?

A voter only needs to believe something in order to vote for the party which he or she thinks represents his views and beliefs.

[Puggit]

NoelWatson said:

Because Gordon is a wonderful man

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/27/gor...

[dazzztay]

And to answer another good point.

I have just stated that 'Brown is just a figure head' then singled out Blair. That was wrong or me.

Its more in a responce to the mega hate for one man who has a more difficult job than any one of us - he may not be perfect but he is not the only man making the decissions! As for Blair, i guess the same can be said...........i do believe that Blair is worse than Brown though.

Brown was in charge of the purse strings though, that much is true - and he has made mistakes (the gold one springs to mind as a classic) - but many more. No government is perfect and no PM is. It does not excuse his mistakes or make them right.

I think the country is pretty good though and Labour are in charge. Ive lived in other countries in Europe too and finally believe in the UK and prefer it here. Given the choice of Brown and his goverment or LD's i would choose Labour! The choice between Labour and the current conservative government and their policies i have to lean towards Labour because i just dont agree with the Conservatives.

Im not on here saying "Labour are the bomdiggidy - they are awesome - they dont make mistakes - Brown is cool like the Fonz" but i am saying the prospect of them for the next few years scares me less than the alternative.

If the conservatives would change their views a bit and have a better leader then i would consider them in the future.

[cs02rm0]

dazzztay said:

I think the country is pretty good though

I guess that's what it comes down to - if you're ok with with the worst recession since the Great Depression and think it's just not perfect and you're quite comfortable with the person who by and large is solely responsible for it continuing to be responsible for the economic well being of the country.

Personally, I cannot fathom how anyone could be ok with that.

[968]

dazzztay said:

And to answer another good point.

I have just stated that 'Brown is just a figure head' then singled out Blair. That was wrong or me.

Its more in a responce to the mega hate for one man who has a more difficult job than any one of us - he may not be perfect but he is not the only man making the decissions! As for Blair, i guess the same can be said...........i do believe that Blair is worse than Brown though.

Argh the spelling is atrocious.....

That aside, I suppose you've conveniently forgotten the mega hatred towards Thatcher who also had a pretty tough job, given the economic crisis she inherited? Why should we feel sympathy for Labour, but not Conservatives?

Indeed I have no sympathy for Labour because they have had a massive majority in the house, which meant that if they really were serious about changing things for the better, they could have easily done so, with little opposition. The fact is, they are a morally and financially corrupt bunch of thieves who have led us into illegal war(s), raised our tax burden enormously and have spent money as if it was water, with no accountability. And to add insult to injury the wastage and overspending is going to be paid for by US.

dazzztay said:

Brown was in charge of the purse strings though, that much is true - and he has made mistakes (the gold one springs to mind as a classic) - but many more. No government is perfect and no PM is. It does not excuse his mistakes or make them right.

Indeed. This one is ste, and needs to be replaced or else the wastage and mistakes continue.

dazzztay said:

Im not on here saying "Labour are the bomdiggidy - they are awesome - they dont make mistakes - Brown is cool like the Fonz" but i am saying the prospect of them for the next few years scares me less than the alternative.

Why? Labour have nearly bankrupted this country. How much worse do you think the alternatives could be?