Is BP's 'top kill' on the oil well going to work?
Discussion
hairykrishna said:
tinman0 said:
Ayahuasca said:
I don't see what the fuss is all about, oil is a 100% natural substance after all. In fact, it's probably good for you.
its not on your f
king beach. i believe part of our bay is boomed off, so it won't wash up half mile from the house. maybe.The problem with the top kill solution that they're going to try tomorrow is that they are injecting heavy mud underneath a leaking BOP, so unless they can overwhelm the well with mud flow rate and density (via two 3" connections) the mud might just be pushed up through the BOP and the leak will continue.
The other option is the better one in my opinion, injecting loads of rubber junk under the BOP so it blocks the holes around the BOP rams. Once the leak is stopped a cement plug can be set. But they want to try the top kill option first as the "junk shot" technique, if it fails, could block up the 3" choke and kill connections and prevent other techniques being tried.
Here's hoping that the top kill works, coz they're getting hung out to dry by the yanks. Despite using Transocean - a yank drilling contractor who was responsible for safety and BOP testing, Halliburton - who did a crap cementing job, Cameron - who designed the BOP stack....it's all the fault of the brits...
Am debating buying some BP shares tomorrow - once the well is killed the legal battles on claims will go on for years, so the drop in share price is probably over the top even if the "polluter pays" philosophy is pretty clear.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow - good luck BP!
The other option is the better one in my opinion, injecting loads of rubber junk under the BOP so it blocks the holes around the BOP rams. Once the leak is stopped a cement plug can be set. But they want to try the top kill option first as the "junk shot" technique, if it fails, could block up the 3" choke and kill connections and prevent other techniques being tried.
Here's hoping that the top kill works, coz they're getting hung out to dry by the yanks. Despite using Transocean - a yank drilling contractor who was responsible for safety and BOP testing, Halliburton - who did a crap cementing job, Cameron - who designed the BOP stack....it's all the fault of the brits...
Am debating buying some BP shares tomorrow - once the well is killed the legal battles on claims will go on for years, so the drop in share price is probably over the top even if the "polluter pays" philosophy is pretty clear.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow - good luck BP!
Can I ask a stupid question.
BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the st?
If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
second stupid question If the oil that has leaked had not, How much petrol would have been refined from it?
BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the s
t?If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
second stupid question If the oil that has leaked had not, How much petrol would have been refined from it?
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 25th May 21:15
Pesty said:
Can I ask a stupid question.
BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the st?
If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
BP are the "Operators" for this block, so even if they sub-contract the drilling they are the owners of the hole. BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the s
t?If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
There were BP drilling reps onboard the rig when the blowout happened, but it is not yet clear who made a critical decision on displacing the mud column with sea water. But the Cameron BOP belonged to Transocean and they were responsible for ensuring its satisfactory functionality. And Halliburton did the cement job that failed, and so on.
Lawyers are going to have a field day....
Vipers said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Vipers said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Why is this problem so bad? What has made capping this well so difficult?
I mean, we've had these incidents in the past, and they have been resolved then. Is there something about this one in particular that means capping it off has been more difficult?
Dont know of any other incidents except the Piper Alpha in the North Sea when the leak was on the surface, this is I think 5000 feet down, and the BOP (Blow Out Preventer),didnt work.I mean, we've had these incidents in the past, and they have been resolved then. Is there something about this one in particular that means capping it off has been more difficult?
If it was easy, it would have been done by now.
Has there been that few cases of this!? That's quite impressive actually
I thought there would have been many more incidents of this ilk in the past. So it's pretty much 'unknown' territory BP have found themselves in, with regards to the problem faced?
Edited by Spiritual_Beggar on Monday 24th May 15:27
Fortunately few and far between. I think another BP rig sank either in the GOM or offshore Brazil, but didnt result in oil free flowing into the ocean, and some years ago, a rig caught fire in the UK resulting in one fatality, but no environment damage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Odyssey
Bearing in mind the number of drilling rigs operating offshore worldwide on a 24/7 basis for over 50 years, its a very good safety record, but when it goes wrong, it can go wrong big time
See also http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1465...
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Edited by Vipers on Monday 24th May 15:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMG2SBwIcrM
ETA;Fixed quotes!
Edited by bobthemonkey on Tuesday 25th May 21:31
Pesty said:
Can I ask a stupid question.
BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the st?
If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
second stupid question If the oil that has leaked had not, How much petrol would have been refined from it?
Not stupid question but the rules are that as operator & leaseowner you are responsible to the MMS for what goes on on that lease. The contract with Transocean will offer a hold harmless & will not include any responsibility for pollution, as this is generally the operators' risk, unless gross negligence. Despite all the bad press Transocean are getting, i think we are a long way off proving that they were grossly negligent. NB i do not work for them! But i might be paying out some very large claims to them........ BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the s
t?If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
second stupid question If the oil that has leaked had not, How much petrol would have been refined from it?
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 25th May 21:15
Hmm this is obviously a very complex and legal thing well above my head. I am tired so I'll blame that.
third daft question . If transocean own the rig why don't they just suck up the oil and sell it themselves. thus making baziliions and bazillions instead of letting sonbody else get most of the profit.
third daft question . If transocean own the rig why don't they just suck up the oil and sell it themselves. thus making baziliions and bazillions instead of letting sonbody else get most of the profit.
luckyal said:
Pesty said:
Can I ask a stupid question.
BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the st?
If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
second stupid question If the oil that has leaked had not, How much petrol would have been refined from it?
Not stupid question but the rules are that as operator & leaseowner you are responsible to the MMS for what goes on on that lease. The contract with Transocean will offer a hold harmless & will not include any responsibility for pollution, as this is generally the operators' risk, unless gross negligence. Despite all the bad press Transocean are getting, i think we are a long way off proving that they were grossly negligent. NB i do not work for them! But i might be paying out some very large claims to them........ BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the s
t?If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
second stupid question If the oil that has leaked had not, How much petrol would have been refined from it?
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 25th May 21:15
Ayahuasca said:
[In some countries (i.e. Brazil and Mexico IIRC) if you are in a taxi that has an accident, YOU are responsible as the 'employer' of the driver. Prolly similar concept here.
So if my boss pissed me off all I have to do is crash into a wall with a few passengers in hmmm I like the idea.Alan Alan Alan said:
That's pretty interesting, thanks.Yeast Lord said:
"Costner has 300 of his Ocean Therapy machines in various sizes. The largest, at 21/2 tons, is able to clean water at a rate of 200 gallons a minute - faster than the well is leaking, Houghtaling noted."Not when its diluted with sea water though
Might go some way towards cleaning things up which is good.
Taffer said:
Yeast Lord said:
So their just going to stick a seal over it and forget the sweet goodness underneath. Is this a no go area for oil drilling now?
If you're evil 'British' Petroleum, I imagine exploration will be made more difficult. If you're an all-American oil firm, happy days.[/cynicism]
I wonder if the Senate will be going after the American firm whose BOP it was that failed as vigorously as they are with BP?
Congress has and does go hard after American companies that have similar bad luck. Hedders said:
Taffer said:
If you're evil 'British' Petroleum, I imagine exploration will be made more difficult.
Trivia: I just found out that the 'B' in BP no longer stands for 'British'! The company is now apparently called 'Beyond Petroleum'!In a similar vein, apparently HSBC trainees are now told that the letters of their bank don't mean anything. Technically true, as their official name changed from 'Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation' in the early 90s.
Apparently anything with imperial overtones just isn't cricket.
Pesty said:
Hmm this is obviously a very complex and legal thing well above my head. I am tired so I'll blame that.
third daft question . If transocean own the rig why don't they just suck up the oil and sell it themselves. thus making baziliions and bazillions instead of letting sonbody else get most of the profit.
Average rig rate for this type of rig is around 400k per day, so rigs are currently on more than 500k per day.third daft question . If transocean own the rig why don't they just suck up the oil and sell it themselves. thus making baziliions and bazillions instead of letting sonbody else get most of the profit.
BP, as well as the Coast Guard, are in far over their head as far as command and control goes. They have well over a thousand contractors but no effective system to deploy them in such a way to deter oil as it is detected nearing fragile areas. We (the state) have tasked our National Guard to facilitate this for them. The Guard is 12,000 strong and very adept at C&C. BP has welcomed this. This starts today, we shall see.
Something to understand; nobody here wishes BP ill. Remember, as I keep reminding my Brit cousins, us Yanks like you guys (even if you don't return the favor ) and want all things British to succeed. In addition, there are huge amounts of Americans and American firms working for BP, we have an interest in their success as well. So, good luck BP.
Something to understand; nobody here wishes BP ill. Remember, as I keep reminding my Brit cousins, us Yanks like you guys (even if you don't return the favor
) and want all things British to succeed. In addition, there are huge amounts of Americans and American firms working for BP, we have an interest in their success as well. So, good luck BP. Froggy porker said:
Pesty said:
Can I ask a stupid question.
BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the st?
If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
BP are the "Operators" for this block, so even if they sub-contract the drilling they are the owners of the hole. BP were only leasing the rig.
Why are they taking all the flack? shouldnt the people who built/operate teh rig be the ones in the s
t?If I rent a car and its sump drops off I wouldnt get blamed.
Sorry if thats a daft question, just been bugging me for a while.
There were BP drilling reps onboard the rig when the blowout happened, but it is not yet clear who made a critical decision on displacing the mud column with sea water. But the Cameron BOP belonged to Transocean and they were responsible for ensuring its satisfactory functionality. And Halliburton did the cement job that failed, and so on.
Lawyers are going to have a field day....
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