Bull gets his own back

[grumbledoak]

It's easier to laugh when the bullfighter himself gets it, rather than kids in the crowd.

[okgo]

Another thing:

"women and kids"

Why are they the only people that feel pain? I'm sure the man that got gored still hurt, but as long as he isn't a woman or a kid its ok?

Such a stupid phrase.

[Stevenj214]

Parsnip said:

Asterix said:

Parsnip said:

BBC said:

Among them was a 10-year-old boy who apparently suffered multiple bruising when the bull fell on him, and a 24-year-old who was gored.

Yeah, "LOL".


FFS, putting aside what you way feel about bullfighting for a minute, are you really saying you laughed out loud at this story?

While I didn't laugh out loud its a case of 'live by the sword' as far as I'm concerned - If they weren't there they wouldn't have been hurt.

Internet analogy warning:

What happens if something happens at a motorsport event - car ends up in the crowd at a speedway or a rallycar wipes out the crowd. People who are campaigning to have motorsport banned (the greenies, those that live near Spa and moan etc.) post a clip with "LOL, they got what they deserved, supporting motorsport"

"Live by the sword" - fine, acceptable risks and all that, but to post a clip up saying that they got what they deserved and laughing at the victims is a little over the line - no matter what your personal views are.

Brand me as a keyboard warrior or whatever, but the fact remains that people got hurt, which is not cause for celebration in my book.

Most of the time I rate animal life on par with human life. Sometimes I rate human life below animal life. I can't think of an occassion where I've rated human life above animal life.

ETA: When I see stories like this, I do get a slight "'Mon the Bull" feeling.

Edited by Stevenj214 on Thursday 19th August 15:44

[Trommel]

Stevenj214 said:

I can't think of an occassion where I've rated human life above animal life

How about just before you tucked into that big, juicy steak?

[Willie Dee]

I hope this kind of thing happens more and more until its outlawed.

[otolith]

I don't suppose anyone would be interested to know that in the event concerned, the bull is not usually killed.

No?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...

"The incident occurred Wednesday at the Tafalla arena in the northern region of Navarra during an event attended by about 3,500 spectators, in which mostly young people try to get a bull to charge at them so they can dodge it. Unlike standard bullfights, the bulls are not killed in these events."

[Stevenj214]

Trommel said:

Stevenj214 said:

I can't think of an occassion where I've rated human life above animal life

How about just before you tucked into that big, juicy steak?

Omnivores eat meat so yes, it's unfortunate that the particular cow I'm tucking into is now dead, but it doesn't mean I value human life above the cow's.

If that particular cow had been mistreated and tortured before death, I would value the human lives which inflicted the unnecessary suffering lower than that of the cow.

[Stevenj214]

otolith said:

I don't suppose anyone would be interested to know that in the event concerned, the bull is not usually killed.

No?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...

"The incident occurred Wednesday at the Tafalla arena in the northern region of Navarra during an event attended by about 3,500 spectators, in which mostly young people try to get a bull to charge at them so they can dodge it. Unlike standard bullfights, the bulls are not killed in these events."

It's still terrorising an animal for fun.

In standard bullfights, it's probably a welcome relief for the animal when it finally dies after being terrorised, taunted and wounded multiple times.

Edited by Stevenj214 on Thursday 19th August 16:18

[HundredthIdiot]

Frankeh said:

Baahaha. Serves them right.

Go to watch a bull get slaughtered then complain when it hurts you? Pull the other one.

Did you even listen to the video?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullfighting#Recortes

[otolith]

Stevenj214 said:

It's still terrorising an animal for fun.

Yes, I'm sure the half tonne bull is absolutely terrified of unarmed skinny youths.

[Frankeh]

HundredthIdiot said:

Frankeh said:

Baahaha. Serves them right.

Go to watch a bull get slaughtered then complain when it hurts you? Pull the other one.

Did you even listen to the video?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullfighting#Recortes

No. I don't have sound.

[Parsnip]

Stevenj214 said:

Trommel said:

Stevenj214 said:

I can't think of an occassion where I've rated human life above animal life

How about just before you tucked into that big, juicy steak?

Omnivores eat meat so yes, it's unfortunate that the particular cow I'm tucking into is now dead, but it doesn't mean I value human life above the cow's.

If that particular cow had been mistreated and tortured before death, I would value the human lives which inflicted the unnecessary suffering lower than that of the cow.

What about the rats and monkeys that drugs are tested on to help cure human illnesses? Are those animals more important than the scientists testing upon them?

I do realise that killing an animal for sport is massivley different to killing one fore food and different again from killing one for medical research, just interested to see what you consider acceptable?

Human life above animal life? Easy - Dog attacks child.

[Trommel]

Stevenj214 said:

unnecessary suffering

Suffering is suffering, whatever the mindset it results from, and I can guarantee that not every cow has a great time between field and plate.

[HundredthIdiot]

Frankeh said:

HundredthIdiot said:

Frankeh said:

Baahaha. Serves them right.

Go to watch a bull get slaughtered then complain when it hurts you? Pull the other one.

Did you even listen to the video?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullfighting#Recortes

No. I don't have sound.

Right. Best not to let ignorance stop you from raising your postcount. The internet needs you!

[Stevenj214]

otolith said:

Stevenj214 said:

It's still terrorising an animal for fun.

Yes, I'm sure the half tonne bull is absolutely terrified of unarmed skinny youths.

This barely even warrants a response.

[otolith]

Parsnip said:

I do realise that killing an animal for sport is massively different to killing one fore food

If you have no option but to eat meat, yes, there is a difference. If (as is the case in modern Western society) you choose to eat meat simply because you enjoy doing so, I'm not sure it is so clear cut.

[otolith]

Stevenj214 said:

otolith said:

Stevenj214 said:

It's still terrorising an animal for fun.

Yes, I'm sure the half tonne bull is absolutely terrified of unarmed skinny youths.

This barely even warrants a response.

You are the one presuming to psychoanalyse the bull.

[Frankeh]

HundredthIdiot said:

Frankeh said:

HundredthIdiot said:

Frankeh said:

Baahaha. Serves them right.

Go to watch a bull get slaughtered then complain when it hurts you? Pull the other one.

Did you even listen to the video?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullfighting#Recortes

No. I don't have sound.

Right. Best not to let ignorance stop you from raising your postcount. The internet needs you!

Oh, I watched a bull fight without sound and assumed it was a Spanish bullfight. Go suck one.

[Stevenj214]

Parsnip said:

Stevenj214 said:

Trommel said:

Stevenj214 said:

I can't think of an occassion where I've rated human life above animal life

How about just before you tucked into that big, juicy steak?

Omnivores eat meat so yes, it's unfortunate that the particular cow I'm tucking into is now dead, but it doesn't mean I value human life above the cow's.

If that particular cow had been mistreated and tortured before death, I would value the human lives which inflicted the unnecessary suffering lower than that of the cow.

What about the rats and monkeys that drugs are tested on to help cure human illnesses? Are those animals more important than the scientists testing upon them?

I do realise that killing an animal for sport is massivley different to killing one fore food and different again from killing one for medical research, just interested to see what you consider acceptable?

Human life above animal life? Easy - Dog attacks child.

For me, medical testing on animals is also barbaric.

For the dog attacks child scenario, I would attribute that to a human's conditioning (or lack of) to the dog and lack of awareness about leaving children and dogs alone together. Should the dog instantly be put down in that situation? Undoubtedly. Is it tragic that things got to that stage by human action/inaction? Yes, in my opinion.

[HundredthIdiot]

Frankeh said:

HundredthIdiot said:

Frankeh said:

HundredthIdiot said:

Frankeh said:

Baahaha. Serves them right.

Go to watch a bull get slaughtered then complain when it hurts you? Pull the other one.

Did you even listen to the video?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullfighting#Recortes

No. I don't have sound.

Right. Best not to let ignorance stop you from raising your postcount. The internet needs you!

Oh, I watched a bull fight without sound and assumed it was a Spanish bullfight. Go suck one.

So, the fact that the bull managed to execute a perfect two-stage leap on to a fence then into a stand gave you absolutely no clue that this was a bullfight of the "being chased around by a bull" sort rather than the "stabbing a bull to death" sort?

Or maybe you had no idea that Recortes even existed and were just arguing from ignorance.