How to beat the EU?

[Silver993tt]

Tsippy said:

Personally we've had issues with energy saver bulbs exploding randomly (three out of six popped this year, with one simply dying - They are Panasonic I believe, provided by Southern Electric as a freebie to help save Polar bears.

In 3 years I haven't had an issue with any of the new bulbs whatsoever, not even a replacement necessary. As for disposal, there will only be a fraction of the qualtity that get didposed compared to the old style bulbs because the new ones last so much longer (their life isn't even comparable).

[Busa_Rush]

I've got a large box of 60/100/150 and 200 watt bulbs which I bought just before the "ban". These will see me over the current period of crappy low wattage fluorescent rubbish they are peddling at the moment. Once they bring out LED bulbs or some other useful alternative my stock will have been used up.

[Halb]

I have always thought that the best light in our house is the kitchen long stick like fluorescent lights.
I did not know know that these 'energy saving bulbs' were just little fluorescent lights. If they give the same good light as the big ones then good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_saving_lightbu...

[Tsippy]

Silver993tt said:

Tsippy said:

Personally we've had issues with energy saver bulbs exploding randomly (three out of six popped this year, with one simply dying - They are Panasonic I believe, provided by Southern Electric as a freebie to help save Polar bears.

In 3 years I haven't had an issue with any of the new bulbs whatsoever, not even a replacement necessary. As for disposal, there will only be a fraction of the qualtity that get didposed compared to the old style bulbs because the new ones last so much longer (their life isn't even comparable).

Perhaps that's why we were given them for free We had to stop using them anyway as the energy savers appear to trigger my migraines

[topjay]

Reminded me of Lord of war with the attack helicopters:


"You know the penalty for selling the military helicopter is a major violation

Military helicopter?!

It's not a military helicopter. It's a rescue helicopter

Get to work, son!

No problem.

The laws are on our side".

[Bill]

Silver993tt said:

Funny whenever anything new comes along be it a car design, form of transport or indeed any kind of change, the majority always throw rocks. It's progress and is already widely accepted and in a couple of years everyone is going to wonder why we didn't have these years earlier.

They're rubbish. The light quality is poor and they take time to warm up (longer if it's cold).

This isn't progress IMO, it's a step backwards.

[Silver993tt]

Bill said:

Silver993tt said:

Funny whenever anything new comes along be it a car design, form of transport or indeed any kind of change, the majority always throw rocks. It's progress and is already widely accepted and in a couple of years everyone is going to wonder why we didn't have these years earlier.

They're rubbish. The light quality is poor and they take time to warm up (longer if it's cold).

This isn't progress IMO, it's a step backwards.

I've no problem with them and they save me a bag load of cash each year compared to the old fashioned bulbs.

[thinfourth2]

Silver993tt said:

Bill said:

Silver993tt said:

Funny whenever anything new comes along be it a car design, form of transport or indeed any kind of change, the majority always throw rocks. It's progress and is already widely accepted and in a couple of years everyone is going to wonder why we didn't have these years earlier.

They're rubbish. The light quality is poor and they take time to warm up (longer if it's cold).

This isn't progress IMO, it's a step backwards.

I've no problem with them and they save me a bag load of cash each year compared to the old fashioned bulbs.

Would you be happy if you were forced to swap your car for a small diesel hatchback which would also save you a shedload of cash?

Also filament type bulbs pump out heat which is useful

[Nic jones]

Can someone tell me what the average financial saving of 60W energy saving bulb over a standard bulb is over 12 months?

If we assume it to be a living room light that is on for 6 hours per day everyday.

(I'm sure I could work it out but frankly, that involves thinking)

Thanks

[Bill]

Silver993tt said:

I've no problem with them

Good for you, I think they're awful.

Silver993tt said:

and they save me a bag load of cash each year compared to the old fashioned bulbs.

I can't say it's a particular budgetary issue for me, certainly not enough to make me want to change.

[Silver993tt]

thinfourth2 said:

Silver993tt said:

Bill said:

Silver993tt said:

Funny whenever anything new comes along be it a car design, form of transport or indeed any kind of change, the majority always throw rocks. It's progress and is already widely accepted and in a couple of years everyone is going to wonder why we didn't have these years earlier.

They're rubbish. The light quality is poor and they take time to warm up (longer if it's cold).

This isn't progress IMO, it's a step backwards.

I've no problem with them and they save me a bag load of cash each year compared to the old fashioned bulbs.

Would you be happy if you were forced to swap your car for a small diesel hatchback which would also save you a shedload of cash?

Also filament type bulbs pump out heat which is useful

The heat produced by old fashioned filament bulbs is why they are so inneficient, most energy goes into producing heat. If you like eceltric heating so much, I assume you have all electric heating in your house? That would be cheap to run

I also now drive a diesel estate, so no problem and it's also saving me a shed load of cash.

Edited by Silver993tt on Friday 22 October 12:11

[.:ian:.]

Nic jones said:

Can someone tell me what the average financial saving of 60W energy saving bulb over a standard bulb is over 12 months?

If we assume it to be a living room light that is on for 6 hours per day everyday.

(I'm sure I could work it out but frankly, that involves thinking)

Thanks

60w x 6 hrs x 365 days = 131KWH @ 9.5p/KWH = £12.44
11w x 6 hrs x 365 days = 24KWH @ 9.5p/KWH = £2.28

[thinfourth2]

Silver993tt said:

The heat produced by old fashioned filament bulbs is why they are so inneficient, most energy goes into producing heat. If you like eceltric heating so much, I assume you have all electric heating in your house? That would be cheap to run

I also now drive a diesel estate, so no problem and it's also saving me a shed load of cash.

I do have electric heating in the water pump shed outside to stop it freezing. It uses light bulbs oh sorry heat bulbs which are great as the also give me some light in the shed

Damn efficient things 95% heat and 5% light

But back to your diesel car would you be happy if they banned inefficient cars?

[Nic jones]

.:ian:. said:

Nic jones said:

Can someone tell me what the average financial saving of 60W energy saving bulb over a standard bulb is over 12 months?

If we assume it to be a living room light that is on for 6 hours per day everyday.

(I'm sure I could work it out but frankly, that involves thinking)

Thanks

60w x 6 hrs x 365 days = 131KWH @ 9.5p/KWH = £12.44
11w x 6 hrs x 365 days = 24KWH @ 9.5p/KWH = £2.28

Thanks, quite a significant amount isn't it really?

Have got one already in the living room but it does take a while to get going and the light definately isn't as good as it was with a 'normal' bulb. Have got a few other energy saving bulbs to go in, but I'm not going to bother changing them until they need to be changed.

Thanks

[HundredthIdiot]

Energy saving light bulbs are great. They cost so little to run I never bother turning them off.

[JMGS4]

There's another german trying to beat EU legislation. Apparently EU legislation states that taxis must have 4 doors, but one taxicab wants to run a Smart as he usually only transports 1 person. He's cut a flap in his drivers door the size of a petrol flap, thus the car has now 4 doors (including tailgate). As the EU does not define a door either in size or use he's now driving a Smart legally as a cab!!

[FarleyRusk]

I want my lightbulbs to come on when I flick the switch and provide decent light that doesn't give me a headache. Energy savers are a massive fail for indoor use.
I foolishly bought some LED replacement bulbs a year or two back and returned them immediately as the light output was insufficent and had a greenish tint. Absolute rubbish.

Kudos to the German entrepreneur and his heat-balls

[JungleJim]

Le TVR said:

They obviously think that the general public don't have any knowledge of maths.

or RMS.

[Mojooo]

The energy saving lightbulbs have caught up with the old ones, they come on straight away and give out enough light, IMO.

The only thing they dont do is work with dimmer switches. I have seen some advertised now that say they work with dimmer switches but someone told me they were not as good as the old bulbs yet.

[Debaser]

A.J.M said:

Found this link on another forum.

Very clever idea by german guy to get around the EU ban on lightbulbs over 60w.

I do like what he donates to as well. Going to help a good cause rather than a load of crap that cant yet be proven.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101015/tsc-oukoe-uk-...

Good idea! When my stash of 100W filament bulbs eventually runs out I'll be after some heatballs (although my local Robert Dyas still seems to stock filament bulbs so I might not need any heatballs for a while).