benifit cuts

[SystemParanoia]

did you even read the post above past the words 'privaledged position' ?

[Mojocvh]

Glocko said:

In what way is his position 'priviliged' exactly?

??

[Mojocvh]

SystemParanoia said:

did you even read the post above past the words 'privaledged position' ?

Try it.

There is a hidden time bomb of both Dementia/Altzimers in this country that is hidden away out of sight at home.

Marcus is priviledged ( ) that he is not in the same position.

"priv·i·lege

1.
a benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most.


Once AGAIN.

He's not being kicked out of his care home, he's having his pocket money reduced.

[Sticks.]

Mojocvh said:

SystemParanoia said:

did you even read the post above past the words 'privaledged position' ?

Try it.

There is a hidden time bomb of both Dementia/Altzimers in this country that is hidden away out of sight at home.

Marcus is priviledged ( ) that he is not in the same position.

"priv·i·lege

1.
a benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most.


Once AGAIN.

He's not being kicked out of his care home, he's having his pocket money reduced.

Agreed the issue of dementia, but for him to be priviledged he'd have to be better off than the majority. As you say, beyond the advantages of most. He's better off than someone with no care at all, but better of than most?

I'm not sure it's for us to judge.

[Glocko]

He has no privilege at all (by the way if you're going to be a spelling nazi, check your own first!)
He's had a stroke in his 30's, finds himself looking at the rest of his life in 24 hour care. His "pocket money" could pay for specialist transport (hoist, ramped etc) to access the community, this is being stopped.
There is no Alzheimers dementia time bomb at all. There is a community care system which keeps people at home for as long as possible using care or assistive technology, this system is woefully underfunded.

There is a difference between the 'bad back brigade' and a person needing someone to be there 24/7.

Every person reading this thread now could have a stroke today and find themselves in a similar position tomorrow.

[Bing o]

Glocko said:

He has no privilege at all (by the way if you're going to be a spelling nazi, check your own first!)
He's had a stroke in his 30's, finds himself looking at the rest of his life in 24 hour care. His "pocket money" could pay for specialist transport (hoist, ramped etc) to access the community, this is being stopped.
There is no Alzheimers dementia time bomb at all. There is a community care system which keeps people at home for as long as possible using care or assistive technology, this system is woefully underfunded.

There is a difference between the 'bad back brigade' and a person needing someone to be there 24/7.

Every person reading this thread now could have a stroke today and find themselves in a similar position tomorrow.

Here here. There are some worryingly disturbed people on this thread who probably should be in some institution. This is exactly the person I don't mind paying taxes for - disabled through no fault of his own, receiving 24 care for the rest of his life, and he just wants to be able to go and see his disabled mother once a week, and get out of the home for a few hours.

Let's hope none of us are ever in the same "priviledged" situation....

[SystemParanoia]

hes better off than some poor starving african living in a mud hut isnt he? Its all about perspective. I bet the poor sick african would love his life

[Bing o]

SystemParanoia said:

hes better off than some poor starving african living in a mud hut isnt he? Its all about perspective. I bet the poor sick african would love his life

Ah, yes, but that's overseas aid, and we can't be giving that to the corrupt africans now can we? Or shall we just stop giving out any benefits in the UK as there are people starving to death all over the world?

What we can do directly however, is give the poor sod a bit of a hand once a week. I would have thought that CMDs "Big Society" would offer incentives to people to provide free lifts to people like the stroke victim in the OP. Less government spending, and a volunteer gets to feel all warm and fuzzy inside for helping out.

[wolves_wanderer]

SystemParanoia said:

hes better off than some poor starving african living in a mud hut isnt he? Its all about perspective. I bet the poor sick african would love his life

Interesting point, so nobody should have any help until they have absolutely the worst life of anyone on the whole planet?

[thinfourth2]

wolves_wanderer said:

SystemParanoia said:

hes better off than some poor starving african living in a mud hut isnt he? Its all about perspective. I bet the poor sick african would love his life

Interesting point, so nobody should have any help until they have absolutely the worst life of anyone on the whole planet?

What they become welsh?

[JensenA]

SystemParanoia said:

hes better off than some poor starving african living in a mud hut isnt he? Its all about perspective. I bet the poor sick african would love his life

What a ridiculous argument. I tell you what...if your family is involved in a serious car crash, and the Ambulance take too long to arrive, and all your family except one survive because of the delay. I'll listen to your heartbreak, listen to your complaints, your hurt, anger and frustration. Then respond by saying "Think yourself lucky mate, in Africa they don't even have Ambulances"

[SystemParanoia]

[Bing o]

JensenA said:

SystemParanoia said:

hes better off than some poor starving african living in a mud hut isnt he? Its all about perspective. I bet the poor sick african would love his life

What a ridiculous argument. I tell you what...if your family is involved in a serious car crash, and the Ambulance take too long to arrive, and all your family except one survive because of the delay. I'll listen to your heartbreak, listen to your complaints, your hurt, anger and frustration. Then respond by saying "Think yourself lucky mate, in Africa they don't even have Ambulances"

thinfourth2 said:

What they become welsh?

There's a nailed on Ambiwlans joke if you just combine the two quotes....

[SystemParanoia]

for the record, i dont give a flying fk about needy 3rd word countries, i just want to pay less tax and keep more of the money i earn for myself! Lol

[otolith]

There was a question read out on Any Questions? on R4 the other day;

caller said:

I am a poor person with two kids and their mum living with me. For working tax credit it has to be 24 hours per week. I work 16 hours. How can I get those extra 8 hours? If I don't, I won't get the working tax credit. It is so harsh and reckless, please reconsider the 16 hours.

Well, you can see his dilemma, can't you - he works two days a week and to qualify for the tax credit he would have to work three days a week - clearly an insoluble situation and a terribly harsh and reckless imposition. It's not as if he could, say, ask his boss for more hours, take on a second job for another shift a week or change jobs, is it? Really, it's this sort of intractable problem of how a man who works two days a week can be shielded from the necessity of working three days a week upon which the new government needs to be spending effort - you can't expect adults to stand on their own two fking feet and work it out for themselves, can you?

[Sticks.]

otolith said:

There was a question read out on Any Questions? on R4 the other day;

caller said:

I am a poor person with two kids and their mum living with me. For working tax credit it has to be 24 hours per week. I work 16 hours. How can I get those extra 8 hours? If I don't, I won't get the working tax credit. It is so harsh and reckless, please reconsider the 16 hours.

Well, you can see his dilemma, can't you - he works two days a week and to qualify for the tax credit he would have to work three days a week - clearly an insoluble situation and a terribly harsh and reckless imposition. It's not as if he could, say, ask his boss for more hours, take on a second job for another shift a week or change jobs, is it? Really, it's this sort of intractable problem of how a man who works two days a week can be shielded from the necessity of working three days a week upon which the new government needs to be spending effort - you can't expect adults to stand on their own two fking feet and work it out for themselves, can you?

Can I move near you, where you can just ask and get more work? Sounds great. If that work isn't available, (and we're told 500k pub sec and 500k pri sec can expect to lose their job) said caller will end up back on the dole.

The point of WFTC, and FIS and Family Credit which preceeded it, is that it enabled people to do some work rather than be on the dole, and when they were working they'd have a better chance of moving to full time work.

[Halb]

Bing o said:

Here here. There are some worryingly disturbed people on this thread who probably should be in some institution. This is exactly the person I don't mind paying taxes for - disabled through no fault of his own, receiving 24 care for the rest of his life, and he just wants to be able to go and see his disabled mother once a week, and get out of the home for a few hours.

Let's hope none of us are ever in the same "priviledged" situation....

I agree. Poor fella, don't know how low I would feel in the same position.

[T84]

I thought NP&E was where the intelligent people posted? Reading some of the posts on this thread makes me wonder how many people actually have a solid grip on reality here...

Edited by T84 on Monday 25th October 11:09

[otolith]

Sticks. said:

otolith said:

There was a question read out on Any Questions? on R4 the other day;

caller said:

I am a poor person with two kids and their mum living with me. For working tax credit it has to be 24 hours per week. I work 16 hours. How can I get those extra 8 hours? If I don't, I won't get the working tax credit. It is so harsh and reckless, please reconsider the 16 hours.

Well, you can see his dilemma, can't you - he works two days a week and to qualify for the tax credit he would have to work three days a week - clearly an insoluble situation and a terribly harsh and reckless imposition. It's not as if he could, say, ask his boss for more hours, take on a second job for another shift a week or change jobs, is it? Really, it's this sort of intractable problem of how a man who works two days a week can be shielded from the necessity of working three days a week upon which the new government needs to be spending effort - you can't expect adults to stand on their own two fking feet and work it out for themselves, can you?

Can I move near you, where you can just ask and get more work? Sounds great. If that work isn't available, (and we're told 500k pub sec and 500k pri sec can expect to lose their job) said caller will end up back on the dole.

Are there no supermarkets, local shops or public houses where you live then? He only needs to find another 8 hours a week.

[Sticks.]

otolith said:

Are there no supermarkets, local shops or public houses where you live then? He only needs to find another 8 hours a week.

I suspect for a lot of people that'd be difficult in the currrent climate. For eg there are 5 pubs near me. One closed last year for good, one is currently closed down, two are for sale but on one wants them. And that's in the prosperous south east.

Does the benefit change make it easier or harder for people to be in work?