"Firms wary about hiring public sector staff"
Discussion
Saddle bum said:
As most public sector workers, especially in middle management positions, are better trained than those in the private sector, one can understand the animosity towards them. The public sector has more funds to ensure a wider training regime, whilst most commercial organisations hire in the expertise they require rather than train for it.
Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
Good point, although I wouldn't expect any of the lardyarse Toryboys that frequent this forum to believe you.Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
Saddle bum said:
As most public sector workers, especially in middle management positions, are better trained than those in the private sector, one can understand the animosity towards them. The public sector has more funds to ensure a wider training regime, whilst most commercial organisations hire in the expertise they require rather than train for it.
Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
what's having a degree got to do with if you can be a good manager? Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
90% of the public sector have a woeful work ethic, at least us in the private sector get stuck and don't mind working hard for a living.
phil-sti said:
what's having a degree got to do with if you can be a good manager?
90% of the public sector have a woeful work ethic, at least us in the private sector get stuck and don't mind working hard for a living.
The idea that all private sector workers are great at their jobs is rubbish, frankly.90% of the public sector have a woeful work ethic, at least us in the private sector get stuck and don't mind working hard for a living.
pugwash4x4 said:
Saddle bum said:
As most public sector workers, especially in middle management positions, are better trained than those in the private sector, one can understand the animosity towards them. The public sector has more funds to ensure a wider training regime, whilst most commercial organisations hire in the expertise they require rather than train for it.
Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
Hmm this is up there for candidacy of most delusional post of the year.....Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
Most peoples experience of public sector workers stems from dealing with your Council Tax or a local parking fine, hardly the best example.
B Huey said:
The idea that all private sector workers are great at their jobs is rubbish, frankly.
Very true. However, if a private sector worker is crap at their job, and is employed to the detriment of that company's ability to make profit, then they are much more likely to be disciplined, I would have thought.If a company does not perform well, it folds.
Saddle bum said:
Most peoples experience of public sector workers stems from dealing with your Council Tax or a local parking fine, hardly the best example.
Mine doesn't and your statement is wrong in the majority of cases. As in any area there are good and bad workers, but the bad/lazy/feckless all outweigh the good. We have had 10 applications in the last month from ex public sector workers who would all be wanting £30k + a year as a salary to be close to where they were, we spoke to 2 of them who baulked at the notion that were we to employ them they would be earning under £20k at a post they were suited to and that rather than a 37 hours Monday to Friday week they would be expected to work when we needed them on a 42 hour contract that needed them to be available 7 days per week and from 8am till 10pm during busy periods.
While that may sound unreasonable we have only had 4 staff leave in 12 years and of those 4 one left for an overseas job, one to start his own business, one because he could afford to retire, and one due to illness.
Saddle bum said:
As with all my postings on all topics, this was not put up as a subject for discussion, but as a statement of fact.
That has to be the single most pompous thing I've ever read on the internet.And as for you contention (sorry, "statement of fact") that public sector managers are better trained than private sector managers, I think maybe you meant "more trained".
Tsippy said:
Of course, there are public sector staff out there who are capable of working hard, but I think that most private sector companies do not want the risk of hiring one of the unionised slackers who are the equivalent of swallowing a poison pill.
I don't think that the issue is that they don't work hard. It's that they don't work right. And the cause of that lies squarely with the most senior managers.Saddle bum said:
As most public sector workers, especially in middle management positions, are better trained than those in the private sector...
The previous administration had a self-fulfilling ideal of creating more 'graduates', providing jobs for said graduates - for the purpose of empire building (the more heads you manage, the easier to justify a pay hike, etc. etc.) - and of engaging in fatuous back-slapping and jollies, thinly disguised as training.In the real world, 'experience' and expedience counts.
However, to revert to a previous point, this does not mean I view the entire PS as workshy or talentless.
Edited by Digga on Thursday 14th April 16:47
Saddle bum said:
pugwash4x4 said:
Saddle bum said:
As most public sector workers, especially in middle management positions, are better trained than those in the private sector, one can understand the animosity towards them. The public sector has more funds to ensure a wider training regime, whilst most commercial organisations hire in the expertise they require rather than train for it.
Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
Hmm this is up there for candidacy of most delusional post of the year.....Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
Most peoples experience of public sector workers stems from dealing with your Council Tax or a local parking fine, hardly the best example.
pugwash4x4 said:
Saddle bum said:
pugwash4x4 said:
Saddle bum said:
As most public sector workers, especially in middle management positions, are better trained than those in the private sector, one can understand the animosity towards them. The public sector has more funds to ensure a wider training regime, whilst most commercial organisations hire in the expertise they require rather than train for it.
Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
Hmm this is up there for candidacy of most delusional post of the year.....Non professional senior management in the private sector are nothing short of barrow boys in a smart suit. The senior Civil Service are all degree trained and are bloody good at their job, albeit considering they are answering to politicians, who are, in general, woeful when it comes to academic achievement.
Most peoples experience of public sector workers stems from dealing with your Council Tax or a local parking fine, hardly the best example.
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