Census enforcement.
Discussion
Manks said:
Digga said:
okgo said:
Manks said:
I think you might have misunderstood the purpose of the census.
Just as "safety cameras" were a tax on motorists. Nothing radical with that suggestion, is there?
Digga said:
Manks said:
Digga said:
okgo said:
Manks said:
I think you might have misunderstood the purpose of the census.
Just as "safety cameras" were a tax on motorists. Nothing radical with that suggestion, is there?
Manks said:
Digga said:
Manks said:
Digga said:
okgo said:
Manks said:
I think you might have misunderstood the purpose of the census.
Just as "safety cameras" were a tax on motorists. Nothing radical with that suggestion, is there?
Manks said:
Digga said:
No lie. If information is submitted, then they can't share, but I'm pretty sure all that confidentiality goes out of the window for nuisance non-conformists.
What gives you that idea? Census website said:
13. What happens if I don't complete my questionnaire?
You could face prosecution, a hefty fine (up to £1000) and a criminal record.
If it is a crime then surely the police may be involved?You could face prosecution, a hefty fine (up to £1000) and a criminal record.
http://2011.census.gov.uk/My-census/Frequently-ask...
Manks said:
Digga said:
No lie. If information is submitted, then they can't share, but I'm pretty sure all that confidentiality goes out of the window for nuisance non-conformists.
What gives you that idea?Subsection (1) does not apply to a disclosure which:
(a) is required or permitted by any enactment,
(b) is required by a Community obligation,
(c) is necessary for the purpose of enabling or assisting the Board to exercise any of its functions,
(d) has already lawfully been made available to the public,
(e) is made in pursuance of an order of a court,
(f) is made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom),
(g) is made, in the interests of national security, to an Intelligence Service,
(h) is made with the consent of the person to whom it relates, or
(i) is made to an approved researcher.
Basically if the police or intellgence services deem it nessesariy, they can happily raid the data, and look for all Arabs and send them off to the gallows, for example.
PintOfKittens said:
Section 39 of the Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007 states:
Subsection (1) does not apply to a disclosure which:
(a) is required or permitted by any enactment,
(b) is required by a Community obligation,
(c) is necessary for the purpose of enabling or assisting the Board to exercise any of its functions,
(d) has already lawfully been made available to the public,
(e) is made in pursuance of an order of a court,
(f) is made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom),
(g) is made, in the interests of national security, to an Intelligence Service,
(h) is made with the consent of the person to whom it relates, or
(i) is made to an approved researcher.
Basically if the police or intellgence services deem it nessesariy, they can happily raid the data, and look for allArabs Jedi and send them off to the gallows, for example.
EFASubsection (1) does not apply to a disclosure which:
(a) is required or permitted by any enactment,
(b) is required by a Community obligation,
(c) is necessary for the purpose of enabling or assisting the Board to exercise any of its functions,
(d) has already lawfully been made available to the public,
(e) is made in pursuance of an order of a court,
(f) is made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom),
(g) is made, in the interests of national security, to an Intelligence Service,
(h) is made with the consent of the person to whom it relates, or
(i) is made to an approved researcher.
Basically if the police or intellgence services deem it nessesariy, they can happily raid the data, and look for all
Digga said:
PintOfKittens said:
Section 39 of the Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007 states:
Subsection (1) does not apply to a disclosure which:
(a) is required or permitted by any enactment,
(b) is required by a Community obligation,
(c) is necessary for the purpose of enabling or assisting the Board to exercise any of its functions,
(d) has already lawfully been made available to the public,
(e) is made in pursuance of an order of a court,
(f) is made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom),
(g) is made, in the interests of national security, to an Intelligence Service,
(h) is made with the consent of the person to whom it relates, or
(i) is made to an approved researcher.
Basically if the police or intellgence services deem it nessesariy, they can happily raid the data, and look for allArabs Jedi and send them off to the gallows, for example.
EFASubsection (1) does not apply to a disclosure which:
(a) is required or permitted by any enactment,
(b) is required by a Community obligation,
(c) is necessary for the purpose of enabling or assisting the Board to exercise any of its functions,
(d) has already lawfully been made available to the public,
(e) is made in pursuance of an order of a court,
(f) is made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom),
(g) is made, in the interests of national security, to an Intelligence Service,
(h) is made with the consent of the person to whom it relates, or
(i) is made to an approved researcher.
Basically if the police or intellgence services deem it nessesariy, they can happily raid the data, and look for all
Order 66
I'm sure it was in the Con/Dems manifesto....
Manks said:
Because I thought the threats being made about enforcement were idle ones.
1991 Census England and WalesThere were 354 prosecutions of which 342 were recorded as being successful.
Our records from this time do not refer specifically to whether or not a
person was found ‘guilty’.
2001 Census England and Wales
There were 39 prosecutions of which 38 resulted in a guilty verdict.
From: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/census_non_r...
Deva Link said:
1991 Census England and Wales
There were 354 prosecutions of which 342 were recorded as being successful.
Our records from this time do not refer specifically to whether or not a
person was found ‘guilty’.
2001 Census England and Wales
There were 39 prosecutions of which 38 resulted in a guilty verdict.
fThere were 354 prosecutions of which 342 were recorded as being successful.
Our records from this time do not refer specifically to whether or not a
person was found ‘guilty’.
2001 Census England and Wales
There were 39 prosecutions of which 38 resulted in a guilty verdict.
k, that must be some sort of record for the CPS; even with clear-cut cases I'd have thought they had a higher cock-up rate.It took under 10 mins to complete.
Really basic stuff
Got to question why you wouldnt want to fill it in? What are you wanting to hide?
It is a legal document on par with the electoral role as such why would anyone want to risk a criminal conviction/record which has to be put onto every job application & visa request....
Seems a lot more hassle in not filling it in than in filling it in. Dont get it.
Under 10 mins of "work" - vs dealing with people chasing you up on the front door and the stress & wasting of your time that it causes, plus of course the impact of what it may have on your criminal
Really basic stuff
Got to question why you wouldnt want to fill it in? What are you wanting to hide?
It is a legal document on par with the electoral role as such why would anyone want to risk a criminal conviction/record which has to be put onto every job application & visa request....
Seems a lot more hassle in not filling it in than in filling it in. Dont get it.
Under 10 mins of "work" - vs dealing with people chasing you up on the front door and the stress & wasting of your time that it causes, plus of course the impact of what it may have on your criminal
Jasandjules said:
Welshbeef said:
Got to question why you wouldnt want to fill it in? What are you wanting to hide?
It's not a matter of hiding anything. It's a matter than information is not necessary and the state exists to serve me, not the other way around.Eric Mc said:
Jasandjules said:
Welshbeef said:
Got to question why you wouldnt want to fill it in? What are you wanting to hide?
It's not a matter of hiding anything. It's a matter than information is not necessary and the state exists to serve me, not the other way around.If we were out all night on the 27th March...
Does that mean we don't have to complete it..?
I've had five cards through the letter box from the Census Attack Monkeys. Saw one of them. He appeared to be from eastern Europe and had a huge folder of addresses. Seems a lot of people can't be bothered.
Does that mean we don't have to complete it..?
I've had five cards through the letter box from the Census Attack Monkeys. Saw one of them. He appeared to be from eastern Europe and had a huge folder of addresses. Seems a lot of people can't be bothered.
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