Liam Fox and his "advisor"

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turbobloke

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262 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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coyft said:
turbobloke said:
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The thing is, if I'm told Fox is as guilty as hell I'll be sceptical of that, and if I'm told he's innocent I'll be sceptical of that too.

I'm not defending either of these two characters, but at this stage he hasn't moved an inch and it's the devil in the detail that will lead to Fox's resignation, or what gets him kicked out of government.
At the very least he has shown extremely poor judgement. That alone deserves the sack.
Not really. If that was the case the House would sit virtually empty in every session, with continuous by-elections running non stop. Is it really likely Cameron will sack him after actually employing (at a decent salary) the NI guy, then brazening it out? Not without devilish irrefutable detail. There was a 'CMD will be gone by the weekend' thread. He's still there and all of them know they're all as bad as each other with very few exceptions.


Edited by turbobloke on Friday 14th October 13:00

turbobloke

104,657 posts

262 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Ah OK. A reshuffle in response to Wallace Gump's rearrangement of deadwood and splinters. Possibly so, Fox wanting to spend more time with his friend family etc.

996c2

470 posts

167 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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coyft said:
At the very least he has shown extremely poor judgement. That alone deserves the sack.
He was clearly thinking with his sack and showing extremely poor judgement as a result. He has to go.

Jasandjules

70,042 posts

231 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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turbobloke said:
Ah OK. A reshuffle in response to Wallace Gump's rearrangement of deadwood and splinters. Possibly so, Fox wanting to spend more time with his friend family etc.
And Letwin out at the same time.

turbobloke

104,657 posts

262 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Jasandjules said:
turbobloke said:
Ah OK. A reshuffle in response to Wallace Gump's rearrangement of deadwood and splinters. Possibly so, Fox wanting to spend more time with his friend family etc.
And Letwin out at the same time.
Any chance of adding Huhne to the list?

turbobloke

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262 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/277358/David-C...

Article said:
Mr Cameron said: “A strong leader actually recognises you have to take time to get all the information, answer all the questions, and then actually make a decision.

“A weak leader is someone who jumps at it because of some artificial deadline. Let’s get the facts established and then make a decision.”

His comments suggest Dr Fox’s future rests on the report by Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O’Donnell, expected next week. But the remarks were seen as falling short of full support.

unrepentant

21,302 posts

258 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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turbobloke said:
Article said:
Mr Cameron said: “A strong leader actually recognises you have to take time to get all the information, answer all the questions, and then actually make a decision.

“A weak leader is someone who jumps at it because of some artificial deadline. Let’s get the facts established and then make a decision.”

His comments suggest Dr Fox’s future rests on the report by Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O’Donnell, expected next week. But the remarks were seen as falling short of full support.
A strong leader acts decisively. Say what you like about Bliar, he cut them quick when there was a sniff of scandal (he also bought them back later a la Mandy but at least he acted). Maggie also. Contrast Major who let the scandals go on until everyone was tainted and maximum damage was done. He even let that odious crook Neil Hamilton hang on to office for a year after he was implicated in cash for questions!

Fox should be instructed to resign to "clear his name". If he clears it he can come back.

fathomfive

9,981 posts

192 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Mr Cameron said:
A strong leader actually recognises you have to take time to get all the information, answer all the questions, and then actually make a decision.

“A weak leader is someone who jumps at it because of some artificial deadline. Let’s get the facts established and then make a decision.
Well that's me filled with confidence.

Derek Smith

45,905 posts

250 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Anyone who regularly reads Private Eye will remember Fox and the meeting with Harvery Boulter, boss of Porton Capital, where he said that they had not discussed a dispute between the firm and the US company 3M. Not to mention the knighthood, which was not, oh yes it was, mentioned.

If, as appears the case, Fox was telling porkies in his reply to the Guardian then all this scandal might not have been made public.

One interpretation, if the Eye's allegation is correct, is that the lie was there to cover up who else was at the meeting and had organised it all. And we all now know who that is.

The question most people would ask is: if there was nothing to hide, why hide it?

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

166 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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He should be fired for causing so much tedium on here.The man is a menace.

Sheets Tabuer

19,167 posts

217 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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He'll be gone before the day is out.

turbobloke

104,657 posts

262 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Sheets Tabuer said:
He'll be gone before the day is out.
That must be a resignation then? CMD has already let it be known that in effect he's waiting for the full report before deciding.

Sheets Tabuer

19,167 posts

217 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Bags are being taken out of the MOD apparently.

turbobloke

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262 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Sheets Tabuer said:
Bags are being taken out of the MOD apparently.
Werritty's overnight kit?

greygoose

8,341 posts

197 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Sheets Tabuer said:
Bags are being seen taken out of the MOD
Is Letwin stuffing papers into bins round the corner too hehe?

Sheets Tabuer

19,167 posts

217 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Put sky news on if you can, his bags are being taken out of the MOD.

confirmed he has resigned.

turbobloke

104,657 posts

262 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Sheets Tabuer said:
Put sky news on if you can, his bags are being taken out of the MOD.

confirmed he has resigned.
Aye it had to be a resignation.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

244 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Ciao.

He'll be more comfy on the backbenches.

Sheets Tabuer

19,167 posts

217 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Wonder if he'll leave by the back door.

turbobloke

104,657 posts

262 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Phil Hammond said to be taking over, moving in from transport.

A safe pair of hands allegedly. Is there such a thing in that line of work...