Bin Lorry crashes in Glasgow

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Vaud

50,850 posts

157 months

Saturday 14th February 2015
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Cobalt Blue said:
What "on-board monitoring equipment" would that be, given that no disk was in the tachograph?
Would the ECU not be keeping the last events? Or maybe they put GPS trackers on them in case of theft?

200bhp

5,665 posts

221 months

Saturday 14th February 2015
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Cobalt Blue said:
What "on-board monitoring equipment" would that be, given that no disk was in the tachograph?

Strange, that omission of the disk: a council driver is hardly likely to go over hours or speed in a dustcart!
Many fleet vehicles have data loggers fitted, often for driver performance monitoring and maintenance purposes. Equally, many trucks have data in the ECU that could be used to determine basic information.

Does anyone know what make/model the truck was?

xjsdriver

1,071 posts

123 months

Sunday 15th February 2015
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Twilkes said:
matchmaker said:
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heebeegeetee

28,922 posts

250 months

Sunday 15th February 2015
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untakenname said:
Some more info has come to light http://news.sky.com/story/1426655/glasgow-bin-lorr...

Other occupants in the cab didn't know where the air brake was and the dustcart shouldn't have legally been on the road in the first place due to the driver not inserting his tachocard on the day of the crash.
Where have you got that from?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

286 months

Sunday 15th February 2015
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What are the taco rules for this type of vehicle use?

gimmeshelter

100 posts

182 months

Sunday 15th February 2015
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I work on the bins and our lorries are Tacho Exempt.
The only exemption to this was when we had Trade rounds, the two drivers on these jobs would use tachos.
This was because Trade rounds are a paid service.
Under normal conditions, ie Domestic collections the driver will fill in a drivers book at the start and completion of their day.
Our vehicles are fitted with tracker systems and our newer ones also have video recording systems.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

276 months

Sunday 15th February 2015
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GG89 said:
Extraordinary claims of 70+ mph by witnesses proved utter drivel as expected.
I would put money on a dustcart not being capable of 70+ no matter what (short of driving off a cliff or the like!)

Vipers

32,950 posts

230 months

Sunday 15th February 2015
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Wondering why this thread is still running. A tragic accident, happens quite frequently, why are we all trying to analyse how it happened?




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selwonk

2,132 posts

227 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...

Article said:
The inquiry into the Glasgow bin lorry crash which killed six people has heard the driver "lied" on a DVLA form over a previous blackout.

Glasgow Sheriff Court was told that 58-year-old Harry Clarke passed out at the wheel of a bus on 7 April 2010.

It has now heard a DVLA assessment form from 2011 noted he had no history of blackouts within the past five years.

One of Mr Clarke's managers agreed that if he did pass out in 2010 then the DVLA statement was a lie.
If true, he's for a f&*king surely?

Oakey

27,619 posts

218 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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'Harry Clarke'... well that definitely sounds like the name of an Islamic extremist. biggrin

Pesty

42,655 posts

258 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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selwonk said:
f true, he's for a f&*king surely?
I'd charge him with manslaughter.

anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Vipers said:
Wondering why this thread is still running. A tragic accident, happens quite frequently, why are we all trying to analyse how it happened?




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Still think this?

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

165 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Pesty said:
selwonk said:
f true, he's for a f&*king surely?
I'd charge him with manslaughter.
Manslaughter by gross negligence surely

JensenA

5,671 posts

232 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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I have sympathy with him. The poor bloke was just trying to earn a living, doing the only job he knew he had a chance of getting.

kev1974

4,029 posts

131 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3178883/Dr...

So it's emerging that the driver covered up his history of blackouts on his job application medical forms, and the council had only done a half-assed job of looking into his previously recorded absences. He also lied to the DVLA.

Oh dear.

darreni

3,845 posts

272 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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The driver was told he would not face any charges prior to the inquest.

El Guapo

2,787 posts

192 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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JensenA said:
I have sympathy with him. The poor bloke was just trying to earn a living, doing the only job he knew he had a chance of getting.
I disagree. He should not have been driving any kind of vehicle until his blackouts had been investigated and a clean bill of health given.

Laurel Green

30,797 posts

234 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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El Guapo said:
I disagree. He should not have been driving any kind of vehicle until his blackouts had been investigated and a clean bill of health given.
Yep! This unfortunate tragic accident shows why the rules and regulations are there to protect against just such a thing happening.

matchmaker

8,518 posts

202 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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darreni said:
The driver was told he would not face any charges prior to the inquest.
Inquest?

darreni

3,845 posts

272 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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matchmaker said:
Inquest?
Sorry, inquiry.