Things are not looking good in Venezuela.
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Interesting time to be a US diplomat in Venezuela.
Maduro gave them 72 hours to leave.
Juan Guaido (opposition leader recognised by US as leader, but not actually in control) has asked them to stay.
The US State Department has ordered them to stay.
If I were a US State Department employee in Caracas I would be loathe to send my kids to school this week.
Maduro gave them 72 hours to leave.
Juan Guaido (opposition leader recognised by US as leader, but not actually in control) has asked them to stay.
The US State Department has ordered them to stay.
If I were a US State Department employee in Caracas I would be loathe to send my kids to school this week.
Ayahuasca said:
Interesting time to be a US diplomat in Venezuela.
Maduro gave them 72 hours to leave.
Juan Guaido (opposition leader recognised by US as leader, but not actually in control) has asked them to stay.
The US State Department has ordered them to stay.
If I were a US State Department employee in Caracas I would be loathe to send my kids to school this week.
I am sure they can stay in the embassy for a while safe and sound. Foreign goverment attacking a US Embassy.....nah not going to happen. With Trump in power and the US recognising the opposition getting aggressive with the US consulate out there would only end badlyMaduro gave them 72 hours to leave.
Juan Guaido (opposition leader recognised by US as leader, but not actually in control) has asked them to stay.
The US State Department has ordered them to stay.
If I were a US State Department employee in Caracas I would be loathe to send my kids to school this week.
Gecko1978 said:
Ayahuasca said:
Interesting time to be a US diplomat in Venezuela.
Maduro gave them 72 hours to leave.
Juan Guaido (opposition leader recognised by US as leader, but not actually in control) has asked them to stay.
The US State Department has ordered them to stay.
If I were a US State Department employee in Caracas I would be loathe to send my kids to school this week.
I am sure they can stay in the embassy for a while safe and sound. Foreign goverment attacking a US Embassy.....nah not going to happen. With Trump in power and the US recognising the opposition getting aggressive with the US consulate out there would only end badlyMaduro gave them 72 hours to leave.
Juan Guaido (opposition leader recognised by US as leader, but not actually in control) has asked them to stay.
The US State Department has ordered them to stay.
If I were a US State Department employee in Caracas I would be loathe to send my kids to school this week.
If a sovereign government orders diplomats out, and they refuse to go, are they still acredited diplomats? I doubt Maduro would overtly attack them, but some of his thugs might decide to have a go if they are outside the confines of the embassy. The school run might be awkward.
Interesting how the US is the main buyer of what little Venezuelan oil is still exported, should be an easy matter to stop buying it.
What needs to happen is a military uprising, but it won't happen because most of the military leaders are up to their epaulettes in corruption. If I were them I would be seeing what kind of immunity deal I could get before doing anything.
And on a cynical note, I would expect that if Guaido does manage to get himself in charge, he will soon be lining his own pockets.
Ayahuasca said:
It happened in Iran...
If a sovereign government orders diplomats out, and they refuse to go, are they still acredited diplomats? I doubt Maduro would overtly attack them, but some of his thugs might decide to have a go if they are outside the confines of the embassy. The school run might be awkward.
Interesting how the US is the main buyer of what little Venezuelan oil is still exported, should be an easy matter to stop buying it.
What needs to happen is a military uprising, but it won't happen because most of the military leaders are up to their epaulettes in corruption. If I were them I would be seeing what kind of immunity deal I could get before doing anything.
And on a cynical note, I would expect that if Guaido does manage to get himself in charge, he will soon be lining his own pockets.
Possibly. However it's less than he is declaring himself president, as much it being an interpretation that Maduro is not president due to the election not being legal. Therefore according to the constitution (article 233) if there is no president, the National Assembly votes on one, in which Guaido was voted in as interim president until new elections can be run.If a sovereign government orders diplomats out, and they refuse to go, are they still acredited diplomats? I doubt Maduro would overtly attack them, but some of his thugs might decide to have a go if they are outside the confines of the embassy. The school run might be awkward.
Interesting how the US is the main buyer of what little Venezuelan oil is still exported, should be an easy matter to stop buying it.
What needs to happen is a military uprising, but it won't happen because most of the military leaders are up to their epaulettes in corruption. If I were them I would be seeing what kind of immunity deal I could get before doing anything.
And on a cynical note, I would expect that if Guaido does manage to get himself in charge, he will soon be lining his own pockets.
NRS said:
Ayahuasca said:
It happened in Iran...
If a sovereign government orders diplomats out, and they refuse to go, are they still acredited diplomats? I doubt Maduro would overtly attack them, but some of his thugs might decide to have a go if they are outside the confines of the embassy. The school run might be awkward.
Interesting how the US is the main buyer of what little Venezuelan oil is still exported, should be an easy matter to stop buying it.
What needs to happen is a military uprising, but it won't happen because most of the military leaders are up to their epaulettes in corruption. If I were them I would be seeing what kind of immunity deal I could get before doing anything.
And on a cynical note, I would expect that if Guaido does manage to get himself in charge, he will soon be lining his own pockets.
Possibly. However it's less than he is declaring himself president, as much it being an interpretation that Maduro is not president due to the election not being legal. Therefore according to the constitution (article 233) if there is no president, the National Assembly votes on one, in which Guaido was voted in as interim president until new elections can be run.If a sovereign government orders diplomats out, and they refuse to go, are they still acredited diplomats? I doubt Maduro would overtly attack them, but some of his thugs might decide to have a go if they are outside the confines of the embassy. The school run might be awkward.
Interesting how the US is the main buyer of what little Venezuelan oil is still exported, should be an easy matter to stop buying it.
What needs to happen is a military uprising, but it won't happen because most of the military leaders are up to their epaulettes in corruption. If I were them I would be seeing what kind of immunity deal I could get before doing anything.
And on a cynical note, I would expect that if Guaido does manage to get himself in charge, he will soon be lining his own pockets.
Ayahuasca said:
And on a cynical note, I would expect that if Guaido does manage to get himself in charge, he will soon be lining his own pockets.
To be fair I don't think most Venezuelans would care about it, if they could buy bread in the shops. Venezuela should be the richest country per capita in the western hemisphere. It's quite astounding that Maduro has been able to run it into the ground in the way he has.
Ayahuasca said:
And you are sure that the National Assembly elections are more believable than the presidential ones? Maybe they are but the same system elected them both.
I'm not an expert, but yes, most likely.1. Maduro was in power, so he's in the situation where he can control more stuff - therefore it's unlikely the opposition can win by manipulation compared to the president and his party.
2. Maduro has shown several times he's willing to try and bypass "normal" stuff - he tried to overrule the National Assembly after they became opposition controlled by the Supreme Court. Then he made the Constituent Assembly and basically tried to move most powers from the National Assembly/ make it legally superior.
3. Opposition parties boycotted both the Constituent Assembly and national election, as for example several of the leaders were arrested and put in prison. Since they didn't have power they couldn't do that, obviously.
4. Maduro has cut loads of jobs/ wages etc. Yet he is has kept the army well paid - basically to keep himself in power and stop himself getting forced out.
As I said, I'm no expert. But from what I know from Venezuelan friends/ have read etc it seems Maduro is just the typical corrupt politician lining his own pocket. Certainly what is happening there is not for the good of the people.
In regards to point 4, the BBC have put out an article detailing it out a bit more:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47036...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47036...
The country seems to have an awful lot of funds..
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/uk/venezuela-ma...
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/uk/venezuela-ma...
For some strange reason, videos of Corbyn and Abbott extolling the virtues of the "better way" of socialism and how it's being implemented in Venezuela, keep disappearing, but here's another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSIQAKpaR20
Guybrush said:
For some strange reason, videos of Corbyn and Abbott extolling the virtues of the "better way" of socialism and how it's being implemented in Venezuela, keep disappearing, but here's another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSIQAKpaR20
Genuinely terrifying given lots of people in this country have the view of 'I'm a labour voter, that's what I'll do', without any consideration of what this clown and his sidekicks stand for. I'm no fan of this current government but it really would be a case of needing to leave the country PDQ if Corbyn got in.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff