tesla , the future ?

[EddieSteadyGo]

fblm said:

Obvious but very unpopular and technically difficult and expensive to implement (for government). Alternatively half the country would cheer if you announced a tax on 'fat cat' electricity suppliers!

Don't forget we could also just ask the "rich" to pay a "little bit more..."

[anonymous-user]

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Yes.

[garagewidow]

EddieSteadyGo said:

With regard to the future of classic cars and EV's, I know it isn't for everyone, but I was rather impressed by this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk

yes,impressive leccy motor and power pack,

wonder how much dinosaur juice it took to make them?

[poo at Paul's]

EddieSteadyGo said:

With regard to the future of classic cars and EV's, I know it isn't for everyone, but I was rather impressed by this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk

Vegetarian sausage.

[richie99]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I personally believe driverless cars will cause a massive change in our society. Particularly if/when we change over to paying on a usage basis rather than owning them.

Just imagine around London the space which could be freed up which is currently used for parking cars!

I am not sure I understand this great nirvana where there will be many fewer cars when they are autonomous because most cars are parked most of the time.

Id like to see any detailed analysis but my belief is that most people will be wanting to use a car at the same time as everyone else - otherwise roads would not be completely jammed at some times, and completely empty at others. So, an overall reduction in the number of cars will mean you can't get access to one when you want so you won't give up ownership of your own. In my SW London street, cars which don't go anywhere all week are almost all gone on Saturday morning.

[rscott]

richie99 said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

I personally believe driverless cars will cause a massive change in our society. Particularly if/when we change over to paying on a usage basis rather than owning them.

Just imagine around London the space which could be freed up which is currently used for parking cars!

I am not sure I understand this great nirvana where there will be many fewer cars when they are autonomous because most cars are parked most of the time.

Id like to see any detailed analysis but my belief is that most people will be wanting to use a car at the same time as everyone else - otherwise roads would not be completely jammed at some times, and completely empty at others. So, an overall reduction in the number of cars will mean you can't get access to one when you want so you won't give up ownership of your own. In my SW London street, cars which don't go anywhere all week are almost all gone on Saturday morning.

Something similar is already happening in Paris with their Autolib scheme. It's an electric car sharing service with 4,000 vehicles. It's estimated to have removed over 22,000 private vehicles from the city already.

[anonymous-user]

It must be sad to be a Brexiteer; to be so upset by seeing the UK develop from a down at heel post Imperial state to become a thriving part of a bustling group of countries with shared trade, institutions, cultural exchanges, concerted influence, and a strong voice in the group's internal deliberations. We don't need any of that! Backwards is forwards!

[Deptford Draylons]

Breadvan72 said:

It must be sad to be a Brexiteer; to be so upset by seeing the UK develop from a down at heel post Imperial state to become a thriving part of a bustling group of countries with shared trade, institutions, cultural exchanges, concerted influence, and a strong voice in the group's internal deliberations. We don't need any of that! Backwards is forwards!

This is a Tesla thread. You lost me.

[richie99]

rscott said:

Something similar is already happening in Paris with their Autolib scheme. It's an electric car sharing service with 4,000 vehicles. It's estimated to have removed over 22,000 private vehicles from the city already.

Interesting. Thanks. I must check that out. I'm still not clear what happens to the 18,000 people who can't get a car when France shuts down for August and they all head off on holiday.

[anonymous-user]

Deptford Draylons said:

Breadvan72 said:

It must be sad to be a Brexiteer; to be so upset by seeing the UK develop from a down at heel post Imperial state to become a thriving part of a bustling group of countries with shared trade, institutions, cultural exchanges, concerted influence, and a strong voice in the group's internal deliberations. We don't need any of that! Backwards is forwards!

This is a Tesla thread. You lost me.

Even on a Brexit thread that wouldn't exactly add much value.

[Sylvaforever]

He had a bit of an upset on another thread.

Something to do with giving money away

Anyway Tesla. Don't think it has helped when Musk opens the patents...

[Murph7355]

richie99 said:

Interesting. Thanks. I must check that out. I'm still not clear what happens to the 18,000 people who can't get a car when France shuts down for August and they all head off on holiday.

They queue up and wait. The French are well known for it...

[turbobloke]

What Car? Least reliable cars by category:

CITY CARS - VW Up - 74.8% reliability rating
SMALL CARS - Nissan Note - 48.6% reliability rating
FAMILY CARS - Nissan Pulsar - 48.3% reliability rating
MPVS - Mercedes-Benz B-Class - 46.2% reliability rating
SMALL SUVS - Nissan Qashqai (petrol) - 28.9% reliability rating
LARGE SUVS - Range Rover Sport (diesel) - 14.5% reliability rating
EXECUTIVE CARS - Jaguar XE (diesel) - 36.7% reliability rating
LUXURY CARS - Mercedes-Benz E-Class - 46.1% reliability rating
COUPES & CONVERTIBLES - Mazda MX-5 - 71.0% reliability rating
ELECTRIC VEHICLES - Tesla Model S - 52.4% reliability rating

[JD]

turbobloke said:

What Car? Least reliable cars by category:

CITY CARS - VW Up - 74.8% reliability rating
SMALL CARS - Nissan Note - 48.6% reliability rating
FAMILY CARS - Nissan Pulsar - 48.3% reliability rating
MPVS - Mercedes-Benz B-Class - 46.2% reliability rating
SMALL SUVS - Nissan Qashqai (petrol) - 28.9% reliability rating
LARGE SUVS - Range Rover Sport (diesel) - 14.5% reliability rating
EXECUTIVE CARS - Jaguar XE (diesel) - 36.7% reliability rating
LUXURY CARS - Mercedes-Benz E-Class - 46.1% reliability rating
COUPES & CONVERTIBLES - Mazda MX-5 - 71.0% reliability rating
ELECTRIC VEHICLES - Tesla Model S - 52.4% reliability rating

Looks like it's curtains for Nissan and JLR by this metric then.

Is there any progressive technology you aren't angry about TB?

[rscott]

turbobloke said:

What Car? Least reliable cars by category:

CITY CARS - VW Up - 74.8% reliability rating
SMALL CARS - Nissan Note - 48.6% reliability rating
FAMILY CARS - Nissan Pulsar - 48.3% reliability rating
MPVS - Mercedes-Benz B-Class - 46.2% reliability rating
SMALL SUVS - Nissan Qashqai (petrol) - 28.9% reliability rating
LARGE SUVS - Range Rover Sport (diesel) - 14.5% reliability rating
EXECUTIVE CARS - Jaguar XE (diesel) - 36.7% reliability rating
LUXURY CARS - Mercedes-Benz E-Class - 46.1% reliability rating
COUPES & CONVERTIBLES - Mazda MX-5 - 71.0% reliability rating
ELECTRIC VEHICLES - Tesla Model S - 52.4% reliability rating

So you appear to be saying that if you want a car which is going to be reasonably reliable, then buying a coupe/convertible, city car or EV is a safe bet. In all those segments, even the worst car has a less 50% chance of having problems.

Also interesting to see that the Leaf must be considerably more reliable than the similarly sized Note. Is that because the relative simplicity of EVs means they're easier to build properly?


Judging by the What Car comments on the Leaf, I can see why they appeal to many who want a reliable vehicle:-

There's a distinct divide between the best and worst electric vehicles. At the top of the heap is the Nissan Leaf with a reliability rating of 94%. Owners reported faults on less than 8% of cars in three areas: bodywork, brakes and non-engine electrics. All the problems were fixed for free and most in less than a week


Not sure how they get. 52% reliability rating when they say:-
In contrast, nearly 38% of Tesla Model S owners reported faults, with issues split fairly evenly between bodywork, interior trim and the cars’ electric motors. Owners also told us about broken exterior door handles and other bodywork problems, as well as some faults with exterior lights. Although all cars were fixed under warranty, some were off the road for more than a week.

Looks like Tesla are equalling BMW's reliability too:-
Meanwhile, 34% of BMW 5 Series diesels had problems across a range of areas, from the engine and gearbox/clutch to the bodywork and interior trim. Owners also reported air-con and infotainment issues, and a small number told us about blistered alloy wheels.

Edited by rscott on Thursday 26th October 19:19

Edited by rscott on Thursday 26th October 19:21

[Evanivitch]

turbobloke said:

What Car? Least reliable cars by category:

CITY CARS - VW Up - 74.8% reliability rating
SMALL CARS - Nissan Note - 48.6% reliability rating
FAMILY CARS - Nissan Pulsar - 48.3% reliability rating
MPVS - Mercedes-Benz B-Class - 46.2% reliability rating
SMALL SUVS - Nissan Qashqai (petrol) - 28.9% reliability rating
LARGE SUVS - Range Rover Sport (diesel) - 14.5% reliability rating
EXECUTIVE CARS - Jaguar XE (diesel) - 36.7% reliability rating
LUXURY CARS - Mercedes-Benz E-Class - 46.1% reliability rating
COUPES & CONVERTIBLES - Mazda MX-5 - 71.0% reliability rating
ELECTRIC VEHICLES - Tesla Model S - 52.4% reliability rating

I'm quite surprised a Tesla S is more reliable than an E Class. Impressive.

[anonymous-user]

TSLA Q3 Earnings after the close...

[Jonesy23]

fblm said:

TSLA Q3 Earnings after the close...

You can tell when Tesla is close to reporting numbers when a whole load of irrelevant distraction press stuff has come out a few days before.

Billions more in losses I'd assume?

[RobDickinson]

Jonesy23 said:

Billions more in losses I'd assume?

Probably, what the fk would you expect from a company investing in gearing up for mass production of cars?

The profits generally come after you have made the product...

[anonymous-user]

RobDickinson said:

Probably, what the fk would you expect from a company investing in gearing up for mass production of cars?

Mkt was expecting $400m loss they came in at $620m for the quarter, not good but of more concern is that Model 3 production schedule has been pushed back at least 3 months, which means we can expect at least another quarter of mega losses whilst 'gearing up for mass production'. S and X sales were great at 26k but I think we knew that already. Mkt doesn't like it down over 7% on the day. Edited to add I don't think it's a biggie in terms of the company surviving, just another disappointment for investors.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 1st November 21:29